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I think it was Hidalgo's pet theory that the Sith created Anakin.

Pablo Hidalgo: “[So in Disney’s new canon, within Darth Vader issue 25, a HUGE change has rolled out. Instead of Anakin being truly ‘The Chosen One’ created by the Force, turns out Sidious actually manipulated midichlorians in Shmi’s womb and essentially IS the father of Darth.] Not sure why it’s being treated as groundbreaking. given 1) what’s in Episode III 2) the peculiar POV of the comic and 3) how long this has been out there (13 years or so).

"Of all the amazing things this comic does, it’s an interesting reaction to a small piece.” (December 26, 2018) “People think: either [Anakin] was created by the Sith or he is the Chosen One. But I don’t think that’s necessarily an either/or proposition.” (December 26, 2018) “[So is it officially canon that Sidious is Anakin’s father?] It’s officially canon that Vader had a confusing, distorted vision in the Force that some believe might suggest that but also might not suggest that. ” (December 26, 2018) (archive)

George Lucas: “Now, there’s a hint in the movie [Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith] that there was a Sith lord who had the power to create life. But it’s left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the midichlorians? It’s left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force.” (June 2, 2005) (archive)

J. J. Abrams: “This movie [Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker] is not just the end of three films, it’s the end of nine films so we had to not just consider but we had to really analyze and absorb all of the eight films that preceded us. I don’t think any last chapter of a book is necessarily paying homage to the prior chapters…it’s using the DNA of the story to bring an inevitability to the end.” “I think my favorite scene from the prequels is…when the Emperor is telling Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise. Yeah, there’s just something about that scene – there’s just two people sitting there, it’s visually interesting but I just think Ian [McDiarmid]’s performance in it is spectacular.” (November 26, 2019)

 

I absolutely agree. For me, the PT, especially these days, is the most visually and emotionally distinctive aspect of SW. ROTS offers a grandiose story that exemplifies the term "space opera" with beautiful and colorful visuals. The color pallete of all 3 prequels is incredible. I love the debates the PT can bring since the characters of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme, the execution of a unjust war, the collapse of a well-intended yet institutionally corrupt society are much more complex than anything before and after. The PT also added a lot of depth to archetypes like Obi-Wan and Yoda and made my least favorite film of the Lucas Saga, ROTJ, more impactful when Anakin returns back to the light with his spirit overwatching his family. The ST (and honestly a good portion of everything in the Disney era) is too concerned with the used-future look of Outer Rim discount Mos Eisley spaceports (how many cantinas have I seen in the Mandalorian?) that it really makes me wonder when ill be exposed to the culturally expansive and visually gorgeous worlds of the Core. Its a shame that even after the TROS, Disney still will not likely return to places like Coruscant or Naboo any time soon.

I was hoping TROS would take a textbook page from the PT to stop limiting itself on purpose, but it looks like another generic desert planet and forest planet which ironically makes anything remotely interesting about Jakku or Takodana look even more trite, if that's possible

 

Whenever a Sith Lord is telling you that they have the power to create ... life ... and they have the power to save those they love from dying and could maybe teach you this power...after you’ve told them about your horribly vivid nightmares involving the death of your wife, and how you really do not want to lose her the same way you lost your mom...

Believe it. Every word of it. It’s all true.

If Anakin had dreamt about tacos, Palpatine probably would have mentioned the legend of Darth Carnitas who had the unnatural ability to conjure tacos from midichlorians.

 

Ah!! Home sweet home.

George left out the scene revealing Palps as creator for a good reason. I don't agree with Disney now going back through comics and changing Anakin's origins for ***** and giggles. If they want to tell their own story fine, but at least honor what came before and the reasoning behind the decisions. And don't tear down the story, the lore etc but that ship has already sailed.

Too much damage has been done for me, to the story of the previous six films, that I have no interest in TROS. This is the first time I haven't bought an opening night ticket for a Star Wars film. At this point there is zero guarantee I will even watch it when it hits streaming.

Palps back, Rey a Palpatine in the Skywalker saga, no actual Skywalkers without a dismantled history, no actual emotional story being told, no emotional tie to the PT, no Anakin appearance= Disney not getting any money from me. I have successfully convinced my own daughter to wait until the last minute possible if she feels she wants to see the film at all.

 

Not that it should matter much to you, but you have just elevated to my favorite user at least for tonight, and possibly for longer. I don't always laugh out loud when reading posts, but when I do there's a high chance it will be because of Dark Ginger Jedi.

And of course, Google Image never disappoints:

Spoiler: New Wallpaper?

 

You know it's funny. I remember back around the time the first Episode 7 teaser dropped and everyone was like "Who's that voice??", making starwars.net mentioned that they had asked a source about what to make of all this, and they were told that they might want to rewatch this scene...and there was a youtube link to that scene, which turned out to be the opera scene.
That's when i got hooked on a certain theory and thought it could work well if they wanted to tie all trilogies together.

 

Well, we shall soon in any case

 

I don't have an opening night (or *any* night) ticket either. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I'm open to seeing it at some point if I hear good things from people I trust. But there's no urgency there.

 

I don't care about any of the new characters at all. The only way they will get my butt in a seat is if Anakin shows up as more than a voice or does something more than just stand there and feed Rey his "force essence" or whatever. No interest in seeing her drain the Chosen One so she can be the "new" one and steal his last name too.

 

Google Trends: Baby Yoda vs. Rise of Skywalker.

Non-spoiler: Interest in the "final chapter of the Skywalker saga" has flatlined.

 

The only way they'll get me in a seat is if they restore Luke Skywalker to triumphant, physical, flesh-and-blood life in order to school Rey on how to kick an Emperor's arse with force powers unheard of and lightsaber moves undreamt of.

And I'll expect Luke to turn to Rey after he defeats Palpatine once and for all, as he arches one eyebrow and asks, "Who's your daddy?"

That's the only way they'll get me in a seat.*

*Not really the only way they'll get me in a seat.

 

It would be nice if we saw Rey interact with Anakin more since she is taking the name. I know that is not going to happen.

 

What theory are ya'll talking about?

 

I would encourage you to dig into how google trends work and how different kinds of content trend over time.

 

Sorry but there's NO way that is real!

 

It's real, but it's VERY misleading due to the way google trends work. I can show you that The Mandalorian and Baby Yoda are each only half as popular as Solo: A Star Wars Story by using google trends.

 

If it's real and what you say is true, then what the hell does that mean for interest in TROS???? I mean, if it is real and the data is correct, it doesn't say a whole tor trending interest 2 weeks away from release.

 

That it's almost identical to interest in TLJ during its lead up. But that's irrelevant and off topic in this thread. I just don't want people to be manipulated by intentionally misleading graphs like that.

 

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=Baby Yoda,Rise of skywalker

 

I like it better than the leaks too - but only in the same sense that I like having a migraine headache better than the stomach flu. It still undoes Anakin's prophecy arc.

We were at dinner tonight and my son asked "you excited for Star Wars next week?" I just kind of looked at him and hesitated. Sad.

 

While I'm super positive about TROS, I do want to ask does that mean Rey would be Kylo's Aunt and Anakin is kind of like her brother?
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But in all seriousness, I can buy into this and even though her parents are nobodies she's still a Skywalker. I'm also hoping that we find out that Palpatine is the reason Luke rose his lightsaber on Ben and chose to go into isolation.