I have the high ground?

sorry, can't agree with you. In fencing, it's all about the high ground, and that phrase made the duel seem al that more real to me.

 

Anakin made a stupid mistake. Obi-Wan had more experience. Just because Anakin was more powerful didn't mean he was invulnerable.

 

Frankly I saw no evidence that Anakin was more powerful, I don't care how many little tadpoles are swimming around in his cells. If he had a definitive edge on the swordfighting tip, the duel wouldn't have lasted 12 minutes. And the mutual force push mutually kicked both their asses at the same time.

 

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EDIT: In response to this from a post The bottom line is that nothing leading up to this battle would suggest that OB1 would best Ani in a sword fight. You must be kidding, right?, go watch ANH

Vader: When you left me I was but the lerner, now I am the master.
Obiwan: Only a master of evil Darth

GO FIGURE it out!
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What is said on ANH has nothing to do with what was leading up to that scene. You B takin bout the future! Either way that comment sounds like an excuse for DV's previous failure.
I admit this is only my opinion, but do me a favor and read the books(including TLOE) and you'll understand where I'm coming from with my previous statement. GL can write the story any way he wants. He can have OB1 do a groin kick and have DV fall into the lava, but the problem is that he built the Ani up to be better then what we saw. I see that as inconsistent.

 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<But yoda the jedi master who is 900 years old can hardly touch the emperor in their dual and he has to run away. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

He hung with the Emporer fine in my opinion....Sure, at times the Emporer had the advantage.. but I think the emporer is the one who got away..

 

Besides the whole overconfidence/I hate you I wanna kill you thing, Anakin has one practical reason to jump. Remember all the clawing around he did after the Leap Of Faith? Lots of loose things on the bank there, eh? Even if he didn't slide back the way he came, he would have a heck of a time running up to get at Obi. And just because he could, he decided to try his jump-attack trick instead of try to land near Obi.

Also, I think the scene would have been a little bit stronger if Obi had said "I have the higher ground! You know you were never good on a slope!" or something to that effect. It would make Ani's overconfidence that much more tangible.

 

Its a D-DAY term used during the Omaha beach invasion. a war thing. very cool.

 

Personally, I found it disappointing. Not so much becase it's weak but because it was a letdown. I guess I made the mistake of reading the spoliers and, misunderstanding them, I thought that I was going to see a fight where a more powerful Anakin was gradually worn down by Kenobi, mentally and physically. I expected Kenobi to be messing with his mind, confusing him, taunting him, getting him to lose control of himself and start making mistakes. Instead, we have a fight where Anakin gradually forces Kenobi back, Kenobi has gotten on solid land with an uninjured Anakin on the platform, and Anakin suddenly does something monumentally stupid. He doesn't use his saber to guard him on the jump, he doesn't jump outside of Kenobi's reach, he doesn't do anything but leap in as "Mr. Target". Had I seen Kenobi gradually taunting and enraging him throughout the battle so that he was so furious that he didn't stop to think before he jumped in it would have worked better for me.

Instead I got an expert swordsman who just suddenly got terminally stupid so that he could be cut down as the sequels described. Kind of a letdown.

Matt

 

pl_renoch what is TLOE?, don't tell me it's a book.

If it is don't bother replying. See that's what I don't like about the EU. They go and create a story that Gl may or may not support.

If I go by the movies, my comment stays.

 

pl_renoch what is TLOE?, don't tell me it's a book.

"Labyrinth of Evil". A book.

If it is don't bother replying. See that's what I don't like about the EU. They go and create a story that Gl may or may not support.

Who cares is Lucas supports it or not? In every way (except the obvious visual way), the books have truimphed over the movies.

But, in this instance, "Labyrinth of Evil" was signed off on by Lucas. He not only read and approved, he asked for it to be written.

In the future, it will be combined with the "Revenge of the Sith" novelization for the complete story.

If I go by the movies, my comment stays.

You have to think outside of the movies. The movies give you a glimpse into things ... they should NOT be your only source of information.

 

Newsflash.... HE WAS BOLLOXED!!!

 

If he had a definitive edge on the swordfighting tip, the duel wouldn't have lasted 12 minutes.

Anakin does have an edge in the swordfighting. He is a level 9, Obi is an 8.

It says in the making of book that the duel lasted so long because each was so familiar with the others moves.

 

Where in the hell do you get those numbers????

 

I think Obi Wan is not that willing to fight, he will do "what he must", no more, no less. So when he has the upper hand, the higher ground, he would just as well talk Vader out of it rather than hurt him.

Face it, Obi Wan could finish him there too, but instead, he takes his limbs. He just is not prepared to kill Vader, Obi Wan loves him, despite what he has done.

Thats why the end makes sense, he backs onto the higher ground, and he warns him rahter than attack him outright. When Vader makes the jump, Obi Wan simply does what he must, nothing more than that.

 

Where in the hell do you get those numbers????

Yeah, what is this horse crap!?

 

Nick gillard,said those things.

 

Where in the hell do you get those numbers????


Yeah, what is this horse crap!?

In the Making of Revenge book, Nic Gillard ranks each swordsman based on there lightsaber skill.

Yoda, Sidious, Anakin = 9
Obi-Wan = 8

 

^^^^^^^

Woah! Mind F!

 

Yeah, this was about the weakest explanation of why Anakin would lose to Obi-wan GL could come up with. High ground never seemed to be a problem when Obi-wan flipped over Darth Maul in TPM. All you who think this is a fine explanation need to pull your tongue out of GL's *ss.

 

I think Lucas ultimately wanted to show that Anakin beat himself, which he clearly did. He allowed himself to think that he was invincible, and in doing so he defeated himself.

Besides, Obi couldn't have won any other way. Anakin was more powerful. This has been said by Lucas, and I believe it was portrayed that way in the movie.

 

I don't mind the ending of the duel but I must point out that Anakin jumped over Obi-Wan exactly the same way when he got on the lava hover thingy. "This is the end of you my master." Flip,land,fight.

 

Exactly. That was the whole point. Listen to the dialogue again. Especially the tone in Anakin's voice.

Obi-wan: "It's over Anakin, I have the high ground."

Translation, I've won this fight. You're there and I'm here. You'd be foolish to try and attack me from this angle.

Vader: "You underestimate my power."

Translation, I'm sick of you thinking that you're better than me. I'll show you. I'm better than you. Better than everyone.

Obi-wan: "Don't do it Anakin."

Translation, don't be a dumbass.

We all know what happens next.

 

I think that seeing all forms of levitation was satanic. Also, when lightning goes out of the fingers of Palpatine, that was Satanic. Another Satanic thing was the buzz droids, cause only the power of the devil can make you stick to a space ship. also on the EpIII movie there was a satanic looking carpet that was looking like evil colors.

 

Wrong thread.

 

The point of Vader coming close to victory in the close quarters on the little transport pad has been brought up. No one has brought up the fact that Vader did said "This is the end of you, my master" when he had Kenobi cornered on the little rectangular pad. Maybe we are seeing a different duel but Kenobi was moving away from Vader the whole fight, and when Vader finally had Kenobi cornered on the rectangular pad, he was confident that victory was his (as it should have been) but luckily Kenobi found the high ground. Vader did beat himself... that much is obvious to all of us I hope...

The factors of Kenobi being more experinced and both knowing each other's styles very well are all true, thats why the duel lasted as long as it did... I mean look at how quickly Anakin killed Dooku