Identity of the new Sith Lord, Darth Krayt (Legacy/Betrayal spoilers/speculation)

The tattoos are not exactly the same. The tattoos that A´Sharad Hett
has are not as thick as those that Darth Krayt has. And Maul too had
tattoos... So the Sith can have tattoos without having any connection
to A´Sharad Hett, even if many of the tattoos of the New Sith Order
members do look more like those Hett had than those that Maul had.
Then there is what has been said of the past of Darth Krayt which
heavily implies that he is probably couple of generations younger
than A´Sharad Hett. So a descendant than the man himself
would be more likely. That then leaves the question that how
many people would not consider it a disappointment if Darth Krayt
eventually would turn out to be A´Sharad Hett or his descendant?
Not exatly a "sense of wonder" moment...

I would have liked Darth Krayt to be Jacen. As it is almost
certain now that this is not the case, then there should be
at least some connection between them. The fact that Jacen
says in Tempest(40 ABY) "Sometimes things must be broken in
order to be rebuilt" and Darth Krayt says the same in Legacy
(130 ABY) has to have a good explanation. OK, they could both
quote a collection of "Sith Proverbs for Every Occasion" but
better would be to jettison the past that Darth Krayt gives in
his holocron and make Darth Krayt apprentice to Jacen.

 

I think this is a new theory, but tell me if it isn't.


Lets look at what we know:

Authors have said that Krayt was born during or around the Vong war. Taken at face value, this shoots holes in nearly every theory out there except for Ben (which creates problems of its own)


Authors have said that WHO Krayt is not as important as WHY he is how he is.


Many people have a (legitimate in my view) concern about 2 separate unconnected sith groups developing at nearly the same time... The authors should see that as a understandable and foreseeable response.


We've seen pics where Krayt appears to be some kind of lycanthrope.


Krayt himself has said that there is something within him threatening to take over.


Krayt seems to have a very similar thought process to Jacen when it comes to creating order in the galaxy and such (IMO).


Finally part of the prophecy about Jacen in LOTF states he will make/fabricate a pet.


My theory? Krayt IS the "pet" Jacen fabricates. Probably some combo of sith alchemy and Vong bio-tech. Perhaps Jacen was trying to infuse the force into a non-force sensitive and aggressive Vong bio-tech was needed to keep the subject alive and stable. This would fix the problem with the 2 sith groups being created at nearly the same time because the WOULD be related. When he was born and who he is would be of little consequence, only how he got that way would really matter. It would also explain any similarities between Krayt and Jacen. It could explain the Vong armor and the lycanthropy as well... after all this time the balance between the bio-tech and the alchemy is breaking down. Finnaly it makes his animal related darth title make a bit more sense too.

 

Yes, Darth Krayt could be the pet. But Darth Krayt himself claims his
Order has been around for a hundred years in 130 ABY. (Which makes
him significantly older than Ben, probably by few decades, and also
shows that if we are to believe what Darth Krayt says, then he can
not be Ben.) So Darth Krayt to be the pet that the tassels refer to
he would either have to lie in his holocron or have false memories
- neither are impossible, but both are rather crude retcons.

I have to admit that I do not share the view that it is more
important why Darth Krayt is like he is instead of who he is -
or was before he became Darth Krayt. Both are in my mind
important questions. And as has been claimed several times before,
if you put a mask on one of the main characters and hint at
his mysterious background, that he "knows the Jedi from old"
etc, then there has to be some secret to his identity that
will makes sense to the readers when the mask is eventually
removed. (And they better remove the mask and show the face.
Anything else would be cheating.)

So, if Darth Krayt is the pet and he lies in his holocron,
the question still reminds who he is? I would prefer him to
be a clone of either Jacen, Anakin Solo or Ben. The Kaminoans
that have left their homeplanet seem to have some cloning
project going on, perhaps for the Corellians to create an
Anakin Solo clone so that they can activate the Centerpoint, as
has been claimed numerous times. Perhaps Jacen will get his hands
on the clone, and if Ben has come to his senses and left Jacen by
this time, Jacen could be tempted to make use of the clone - and
perhaps do something to it with that Sith alchemy...

 

Yeah, Krayt really does look like A'Sharad. Maybe it'll be A'A'Sharad, who knows?

 

It's not just that there are tattoos, it's that they're in the exact same place as A'Sharad's tattoos: three stripes running from lip to chin (A'Sharad's two faint other ones are covered by the wider stripes), two coming up at the corners of the mouth and two more coming down. What are the chances that they'd be that similar (or for that matter, why Jan, who certainly doesn't lack in creativity, would make them that similar) on accident? That's why I said that even if Krayt isn't A'Sharad, he's got to have had close contact with him.

It's already been said that who Krayt is isn't as important as why he is. Not every mask has to hide an incredible plot twist.

 

It's already been said that who Krayt is isn't as important as
why he is. Not every mask has to hide an incredible plot twist.

Well, the first sentence is the opinion voiced by the people behind the comic,
the second is your opinion. I have to admit that I disagree with both; I can
understand why people support these claims, but I personally like to know not
only why Krayt is like he is, but also who he is behind that mask. Putting a mask
on him and then claiming that there is no importance as such for the mask except
that he looks cool in it - just an invented example - is just a thing that I
can not agree with. The plot twist would not have to be incredible, just that
there would be some twist, some answer to the riddle that the mask creates of his
identity, an answer that would be believable and fit with the previous continuity.

What comes to his tattoos, yes they are very like the ones that Hett has
and in the same places. They do not look exactly like in my eyes because
their thickness seem different. So a connection to Hett is likely, I admit
it. But if we take as truthful the background that Krayt has been given,
then it can not be Hett himself but perhaps his descendant. Perhaps that
A´A´Sharad Hett.

 

Be kind of interesting if this was tied into the Dhuryam of Coruscant. Maybe it's finally removed/set free by Jacen and further developed somehow? Would explain the Jacen connection, birth time, WHY he is, and the "fabricate" thing. Possible the health thing, because we don't know the exact Vong intended lifespan/lifecycle of Dhuryams...

 

Also interesting is that the Jedi Cade delivers is afraid to be given to the Sith alive and the order of Darth Krayt to get Cade alive. My interpretation is that the Sith do some kind of experimenting on Jedi to find a cure for Darth Krayt? On the other hand Kol is surprised that he is not asked to surrender so I might have gotten this wrong.

Totally independent question: Do we know where A'Sharad Hett got his tattoos i.e. why do they look like they do?

Born during the Vong war and the Tatooine connection (Krayt dragon) combined with the Jacen will fabricate a pet statement lead to very, very crazy theory:

Could Darth Krayt be a genetic combination of Jacen Solo and Anakin Skywalker and the world brain?

In the first two books of LOTF Jacen seems to be somewhat obsessed with his grandfather, a process that was initiated during the NJO and the "Stand firm" message. "Born during the NJO" could be Darth Krayt's memory of Jacen being trained - "awakened?" by Vergere. Maybe Jacen wants to help his old friend the world brain after the Tempest incident and decides to give it a new enhanced clone existance - only the world brain takes over the clone after Jacen dies at the end of LOTF.

I don't know if this makes any sense, but I have a feeling that Vergere's act of shutting off Jacen from the force has to do something with it as well.

Alternate take: Vergere made Darth Krayt a Jacen clone and gave him the A'Sharad Hett tattoos because she had a crush on A'Sharad / knew him well?

Alternate take #2: Jacen has nothing to do with it. Tahiri is revealed to be A'Sharad Hett's daughter and she creates Darth Krayt as an Anakin Solo clone with the help of her shaper memories of her Riina Kwaad personality. Somehow fulfilling Ikrit's prophecy. And maybe her exile on Dagobah with the dark cave comes into play as well, maybe Luke appears as a force ghost to Cade because he feels guilty for the existence of Darth Krayt.

 

Also interesting is that the Jedi Cade delivers is afraid to be given to the Sith alive and the order of Darth Krayt to get Cade alive. My interpretation is that the Sith do some kind of experimenting on Jedi to find a cure for Darth Krayt? On the other hand Kol is surprised that he is not asked to surrender so I might have gotten this wrong.

Perhaps Kol was too dangerous to be left alive or the orders have
changed through the years. Darth Krayt learning about Cade could
be a very good reason for this order change. Before he
learned about Cade he wanted to kill all Jedi to make sure
that they could not re-emerge like they did after the previous
Purge, but that saving his own life - for the good of the
galaxy, of course - made him to change the orders.

I have a feeling that when Cade has become a Jedi he will meet the
Jedi he betrayed and that this Jedi has been turned to the Dark Side
and has become a Sith. It would be a rather logical plot twist. Of
course, the Sith could try to capture Jedi alive only to find Cade
or get information about him and kill the captives after they are
certain that they do not know anything about Cade or have told
everything they know.

 

Just listening to the Gun Club - House On Highland Ave:

...

there is no fire in your glass eye
there is no feeding when you're gone
and one day you will find out
what kind of monster you've become

...

Darth Krayt is Jeffrey Lee Pierce!

 

Yes, and...? Since they actually made the comic, their opinion on it holds a lot more relevance than yours or mine. And they say that who it is isn't as important; whether you think that it needs to be some major revelation or whatever is irrelevant for speculating what will happen, since the ones who will actually make the comic have said they don't feel that way.

Actually, it's not my opinion. It's fact: not every mask has to conceal something spectacular. Darth Nihilus, for example, did not. Whether one thinks that's good or not is an opinion, but it is a fact that a mask does not necessitate a major identity reveal.

 

Right ok, here it goes...

Jacen Solo develops this strange green goo stuff alongside Lumiya, like radioactive gloop or something... it accidentally goes haywire and transforms him into a rat creature and he becomes Darth Splinter. Lumiya then rejects him (as a dirty rat) and Darth Splinter is forced to flee to Tattooine.

Whilst there, more of the goop is accidentally dropped down a sewer on Tattooine that is conviently connected to a Krayt Dragon cave. A baby Krayt dragon is affected by the goop, and becomes a Mutant Krayt Dragon humanoid hybrid thing.

Darth Splinter takes him under his wing and names him Palo.

He trains him in the ways of the dark side and the Sith, and for a while Palo operates as a Teenage Mutant Sith Krayt Dragon, and when the evil Lumiya attacks, this Krayt dragon don't cut her no slack. Eventually he kills her.

Before Darth Splinter dies, he gives Palo the Sith title of "Darth Krayt" and the rest, as they say, is Legacy.

 

This I really like!

Have a Golden Ewok?!!

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Can we put these two thoughts together?

I'll point out that the classic Tusken coming-of-age ritual, undertaken by A'Sharad back in Outlander, is to kill a Krayt dragon and take a dragon pearl from its belly...

With the ancient words:

---

"From the womb of the Krayt, be blessed with rebirth. You are her killer and her child--a greater dragon than she! Pull from her belly your prize... and her apology"[hr][/blockquote]

I'm not totally convinced that Krayt is A'Sharad: the point is that rebirth through/as a Krayt is highly symbolic Tusken/Tatooine concept...

Combine this with the tattoos, and the key question is what was the context for Krayt's rebirth. Understand that, and understand the name, and we might understand the origins of Darth Krayt, I think...

:-?

Oh... I should [b]probably[/b] also point out that Aurra Sing has a strong Tatooine connection, and that a [link=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nashtah]Nashtah[/link] is also a type of dragon...

:D

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Yes, and...? Since they actually made the comic, their opinion on it holds a lot more relevance than yours or mine. And they say that who it is isn't as important; whether you think that it needs to be some major revelation or whatever is irrelevant for speculating what will happen, since the ones who will actually make the comic have said they don't feel that way.

How would I put this... I admire all the work that has put in the
comic, the opinion of the people involved it in is of course far the
most relevant thing etc but if I otherwise I really can not agree
with you. I can consider important things to which the authors themselves
give but little value and then give little value to some things that
they consider important and want themselves to point out to the readers.

What I think of the comic is really relevant only to myself, but I find
irritating the idea that I should first read the comics only in the
light of the authorial voices and then myself voice opinions of the
comics only based on what the authors say is important or relevant. And
frankly, if they will just concentrate on WHY and not give us WHO then I
think that the story will be worse for it, as I see these two questions
to be intertwined. Just my opinion that has no worth to anyone else than
myself, but if we have to speculate only based on what the authors tell
is important we could as well stop speculating and just wait until they
give us the answers.

 

I'm not saying that you can't think who Krayt is is more important than why, I'm saying that it has absolutely nothing to do, and the opinions of the creators has everything to do, with what ends up being written. See, you're free to say "I think Krayt should be someone special". But that doesn't mean you can accurately say "Krayt will be someone special". And if the creators say "We don't think Krayt being someone special is so important", then saying "well, that's just their opinion" is completely missing the point that their opinion is what ultimately goes down on paper.

You say "The situation should be A". The creators say "The situation should be B". Both of those are equally valid viewpoints, but if we're asking the question "What will the situation be?", only one of those viewpoints is relevant to the discussion. And if the situation ends up being B, and you hate it because you feel it should be A and B was inferior, that's your right. But that's a completely different matter anyway.

 

Ok here's a long shot.

The guy is some sort of Killik Joiner.

He likes the Vong armour because it makes him look like a bug.
He wants the galaxy to be run by a single will and the New Sith Order has the rule of one, the order itself.
This sounds a bit like the hive mentality of the Killiks with the whole Una thing.
I'm not saying he's running the Sith Order by hive mind, just that maybe he was a Joiner at some point and has carried over his experiences of this.

 

I don't know if this has been suggested before, but what about...

Kir Kanos.

The guy's fate has been left ambiguous, and he has a never-ending sense of vengeance. He also has been strongly hinted to be force-sensitive. Perhaps the Vong war led him to develop his force abilities and create a new Sith Order.

 

The only thing that I can quickly think of which would speak against
Kir Kanos is that he fought against pretenders to the Imperial throne
and then he would have himself become one. Of course, people change...

 

Mark my words...

Darth Krayt is the son of Shira Brie/Lumiya and Luke Skywalker. The latter never was aware of this long lost son. The embryonic Krayt survived his mother's injuries. Lumiya trained her son in secret. She trained Krayt to be a dark side weapon against his father. By the time of the Vong War young Krayt was in his early manhood. Lumiya instructed her son to use the extra-galactic invasion as a training trial. Krayt in secret became involved in the Vong War. Lumiya realized that one of the keys to being a Sith Master was to have plans within plans - wheels within wheels. Her son's rise to power was the capstone plan. Lumiya became aware of Vergere's return and Sith tainted training of Jacen Solo. The young Solo's questioning mind and arrogance made him a perfect distraction for the new Jedi Order. Jacen would be a stepping stone. Through patience and manipulation Lumiya would put Jacen on the path to darkness. Then when the time was right and Jacen's usefulness was at an end Krayt would keep the ball rolling. Jacen is really the new Dooku in a manner of speaking. Krayt would be ready to topple his father's legacy. Jacen is a dark side version of John-the-Baptist. Krayt is the twisted Christ of the Sith.

Mark my words - Lord Krayt is a son of Luke Skywalker. It really is just that simple folks. It fits everything the writers have said in cryptic interviews since before Celebration 3. Star Wars is returning to basic core issues. Such as relative versus relative during a civil war and the mythic cycles for both the Protagonist and the Antagonist.

 

Your words are marked.

 

Woooo Hoooo! I come home from a weekend vacation to a Golden Ewok? Who could ask for more? I'm glad you like.


yodafett... believe it or not I've considered the World Brain as well, but I figure the theory works better without tying it to a specific person or giant brain thingy. But I think it could work.

 

Does DK being called Dread Lord mean he's YV Supreme Overlord.
We've been told that it's more important why DK is rather than who he is. Does this mean that this is what happens when the YV find the Force.

 

Does DK being called Dread Lord mean he's YV Supreme Overlord.

Seems extremely unlikely. The title probably means nothing;
the Pope calls himself Pontifex Maximus - among other titles
- and that does not make him the high priest of Jupiter. It
could just be the same case with Krayt. That the Sith have
adopted this menacing title from the YV.

We've been told that it's more important why DK is rather than who he is. Does this mean that this is what happens when the YV find the Force.

He is almost certainly a human or a near-human who has been infected
with YV biotech. Personally I can not understand why the authors claim
that "why he is" is more important than "who he is", especially as the
answer to the "why he is" seems to be as simple as that, that he is
just one of the survivors of the people that the YV made as their
slaves with their biotech. Perhaps he was the test subject of some
special biotech and not a normal victim, but still it seems odd.

Curious question is that as the Sith have been able to sabotage the
vongforming on 100 planets and so have to have good knowledge of the
YV biotech and ability to tamper with it that based on this should be
as good as the YV shapers, why they still can not save Darth Krayt from
the YV biotech? Especially as he himself can turn back the transformation
that the spirit of Darth Andeddu causes in the Legacy #5 preview.

 

I remember reading that the Vong's attempts at vong-forming some of the planets in Legacy resulted in people having boney growths appear on them. What if thats whats growing on Darth Krayt, a sort of...exoskeleton growth thats Vong biotech?.

Or perhaps it is Vong amour that although modified for Krayt, has begun to reject him? possibly because his lifespan has been extended and his body has begun to degrade slowly?

"If a non-Yuuzhan Vong wore the armor, the Vonduun crab would attempt to kill the wearer" - Wookieepedia

"The Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Krayt wore vonduun crab armor around the time of 130 ABY, clearly modified from the Yuuzhan Vong version." - Wookieepedia


http://www.darkhorse.com/reviews/previews.php?theid=13-457&p=4

If you look at the mouth piece of his armour in the pic its begining to seal which would make it pretty impossible to breathe. Also it seems he can still bend his joints (1 hand is rolled into a fist), id imagine over time with long growths protruding out of them he'd find it almost impossible to bend or have any flexibility. So it seems Krayt may need to stop his body from dying to prevent his armour from consuming him perhaps?

 

I'd not even seen the preview for Legacy #5 so that was a treat.

Well I'd say that DK being Jacen Solo is out the window with Krayt's last lines in the preview.

I'm also wondering now why DK hasn't got some Vong to help him with his problem.