If Darth Maul had killed Obi-Wan Kenobi in TPM what would have happened next?

Heres how the script goes:

NT. TURRET ROOM - NABOO PALACE - LATE DAY

The sun streams into the multi-windowed room at a low angle. It is not quite
sunset. YODA paces before OBI-WAN, who is kneeling in the center of the
room.

YODA : Confer on you, the level of Jedi Knight the Coucil does. But agree on
you taking this boy as your Padawan learner, I do not.
OBI-WAN : Qui-Gon believed in him.
YODA : The Chosen One the boy may be; nevertheless, grave danger I fear in
his training.
OBI-WAN : Master Yoda, I gave Qui-Gon my word. I will train Anakin. Without
the approval of the Council if I must.
YODA : Qui-Gon's defiance I sense in you. Need that, you do not. Agree with you,
the council does. Your apprentice, Skywalker will be.



They would have trained Anakin, or at least locked him up. Like SSS said, there is no way they would allow someone with the highest midi count ever to roam the GFFA free and unsupervised. Especially since a suspected (at that point) Sith had just killed two Jedi.

 

Yes, because we all know it was ALL Obi-Wan's fault Anakin fell. Even though Anakin was no longer under Obi-Wan's teachings anymore at that. And I strongly agree with the notion that had Obi-Wan been on Coruscant during the Mace/Palp ordeal, Anakin would not have fallen (at least not at that moment) because, for lack of a better word, Obi-Wan was essentially Anakin's conscience, and Palpatine himself knew this too, that's why he tried his hardest to separate them.

I'm not trying to bait or anything, but in my mind, Anakin's fall was not a product of his teacher. It was a result of many factors that Anakin could not overcome. Once Qui-Gon took him off Tatooine, his fate was sealed IMO.

EDIT: I guess I'm just sick of people blaming every little screw-up Anakin has on Obi-Wan. I just don't get it.

 

I'm not so sure. Even Yoda lost one of his pupils to the Dark Side. Qui-Gon had his shortcomings just as Obi-Wan did. Ultimately Anakin is responsible for his fall.

 

Anakin was already diluted by the Dark Side before he was given the rank of Jedi Knight so Obi-wan has to take some of the blame. That and to quote from ESB:

"I don't believe it."-Luke
"That is why you fail."-Yoda

Although Obi-wan did support Anakin in ROTS, it was much too late because he didn't believe in him as much as Qui-Gon did and that is why Obi-wan failed Anakin.

Yoda lost one pupil out of the billions that came before him and the ones that came after him. That's not really a big loss considering that Dooku is way past his retirement age when he crossed over. Yoda's real failure is that he didn't take his own advice like the "letting go" speech he gave Anakin nor did he train Anakin himself. If he had done both, then Anakin wouldn't have fallen to the Dark Side. Qui-Gon's only shortcoming was getting himself killed and asking Obi-wan to train Anakin since he should've known that Obi-wan isn't ready to take on an apprentice so soon.

Anakin may be the pilot of his own life but every pilot has co-pilots to help fly the plane.

 

I don't agree with those who say that "If Qui-gon trained Anakin he would not have turned to the dark side." In my opinion Obi-wan was not responible for Anakin's turn. Anakin was around 22 years old, he was not little anymore. Anakin is the one to be blamed for his turn, not Mace not Yoda not Obi-wan or any other Jedi. When Anakin left his mom, that was when the danger started. He was to old to be trained, that is why Jedi are trained at an early age. If Qui-gon trained Anakin he probally would have still married Padme. He fell in love with Padme the moment he saw her. He wanted to turn to save her. What would Qui-gon have done about that? Qui-gon lost some padawans to the dark side himself and Obi-wan had to prove himself to Qui-gon so he can train him.

So in my opinion, Anakin would have still turned to the dark side as long as he had his "fear of loss"

 

For some reason, I find this statement oddly amuzing, perhaps because the aspect of issuing "punishment" on someone who's about to die seems rather moot.

Anyhow, if Obi-wan had bought the farm, I think Yoda might have taken Anakin on as his Padawan, or passed him on to Mace. Reason being that the two Jedi the kid knew were dead, and if someone's going to be responsable for training a would-be-dangerous Force wielder, who better to do it than the two best Jedi in the temple?

 

Yoda had billions of pupils? That's billions plural, so at least 2 billion...
he's been training Jedi for 800 years, so that comes out to Yoda having at least 2,500,000 new pupils every year.

Damn.

 

@ Fenn.
Yoda was one busy skinless Ewok.

This is why I come here, still. For brilliant observations like this one.

 

These are all interesting theories but I think you are thinking too much about after TPM and not the immediate future. If Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are dead, Maul is going to complete his mission - which is to kill Padme and help the Neimodians. Even if the control ship is gone, his mission is still to kill Padme.

Once she is dead, Anakin has no one to help him become a Jedi. The Naboo government would be in chaos, the Jedi might arrive to get the bodies of their dead but why would they pay attention to a kid who is now mourning the death of his mentor and Padme? He's again have too much emotion for the Jedi to deal with (much more so than just leaving his mother) and would let him go or else return him to his mother. Even after his spectacular flying, he would be an emotional liability and the Jedi are too hide-bound to see beyond it.

And then it goes downhill from there. I can only suspect that Palpatine would get his hands on the kid and there goes the galaxy.

 

I agree with dianethx. If Obi-wan was killed by Maul, Maul would have went after the Queen right after that, and Anakin would have been trained but by either Mace, Yoda, or taken in secret by Darth Sidious.

Or Darth Maul would have taken Anakin to train for himself, especially if Sidious had not yet become like a father figure to Anakin.

What could happen to Anakin might even be more mundane. He gets sent back to his mother, and he grows up and keeps winning podraces so he can earn enough money to free his mother. She gets freed, they leave Tattooine, and he and she settle on some planet somewhere. He finds some girl who reminds him of Padme, gets married, and has Luke and Leia but only with a differant person. Sidious meanwhile grows in power, keeps his first Apprentice but has a lacky like Count Dooku to do some of the political legwork for him, and eventually rises to Supreme Chancellor. He still has the Clones made, but by having Dooku help manufacture a war to give a reason for the clones. Maul is the Sith Apprentice hidden in the background, having grown and matured over the past decade from a reckless young adult full of brashness and energy, to a cold efficiant killer who is patient and calm. Sidious eventually enacts Order 66, and Darth Maul is the one who kills the Jedi in the Temple this time, not Anakin. The Sith take over by force, and lay the Jedi to waste. Yoda confronts Sidious, but barely escapes with his life. Sidious becomes Emperor.

In the future, Darth Maul is the Vader stand in, acting as enforcer. Here, his intimidating appearance works well. The real Anakin joins the nascent Rebellion, acting as a pilot for the Rebels. Luke and Leia and their mother (she goes with Leia) are moved to Tattooine and Alderaan respectively to protect them from the Empire. Anakin's job is in the highest echelons of the Rebel Forces, so that is why the kids and mother are moved to differant worlds. Anakin eventually does train to become a Jedi, after rediscovering Master Yoda who had escaped to Dagobah. Luke becomes a Jedi too, and goes after the Emperor. He first fights Darth Maul, and wounds him. Darth Maul then wounds Luke and escapes. Luke then goes after the Emperor, but gets seriously hurt. Anakin the steps in to help Luke, and kills the Emperor after a lengthy battle. Maul comes back to get revenge for his Master, and is killed by Anakin. And the Prophecy is fulfilled.

 

Re: Qui training Anakin and therefore him not falling to the darkside: I don't think Qui-Gon would have done much better with Ani. A Padawan of Qui's went darkside (for basically no reason, the whiner.); he's 1 for 2 and a half padawans on darkside count. The whole line (Yoda, Dooku, Qui, Obi, Ani, and Luke) are really bad with padawans, now that I think about it...

 

Dooku wasn't Sidious' apprentice but wanted to be a separatist. Could he have stayed/come back to the Jedi and trained Anakin? Fill in for his former apprentice and train Anakin.

This would be at Sidious' request. Then Dooku rallies the CIS in the Gunray role (more diplomatic than Maul), so not violating rule of two, and Maul is used to kill Amidala (if she hadn't been killed already) or just generally cause mayhem. He can safeguard the Kamino project if need be or just be a droid army general.

Then it's Maul vs. Anakin, winner take all, and Dooku is backstabbed.

Palpatine might not even follow the same clone army vs. droids plan. Just get the droids and take over? Or does he really like clones?

 

Anyone who blames anyone but palpatine for Anakin's fall, IMO, are wrong. Palpatine was controlling Anakin for his whole Jedi career.


Anyway, on topic:

Anakin probably woulda made his fateful shot, although maul would've gone off and killed Padme. Anakin would've gone to find padme and the jedi, but find them dead. sitting on the floor crying, he would attract attention from either royal guards or maul, who would return him to his mom or kill him, respectively.

 

Though the title only asks what would've happened next, its interesting to note that, if Obi-Wan were to perish, and say Anakin still became Darth Vader, then even the OT is screwed. Without Obi-Wan to guide Luke, all hope would be lost, and the Sith would rule the Galaxy!!

Thats a trilogy I'd like to see.

 

Without Obi-Wan as Anakin's advocate for training, do you think the Jedi would have released Anakin and let him be picked up off of waivers by the Sith? There was discussion about how he was too old for training, but it obviously was headed nowhere because Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were there to train him. However, with both out of the picture, and the Council resolved against him becoming a Jedi, do they let the Chosen One return to the middle of nowhere and let him be manipulated by the Sith?