Lit If the Yuuzhan Vong came to the new canon, what would you want the same/different?

For all those saying Disney would never let the Yuuzhan Vong happen - watch Echo.

 

I cant see Luke facing the Vong in the Disney EU without contradicting the ST if the Vong debut in Disney EU they should appear after the ST or during the Old Republic the Vong had a cameo in a dialogue of KOTOR 1 it would be interesting to see the Vong in the era with multiple Jedi and Sith

 

Any new thoughts on the (in my opinion, inevitable) return of the Yuuzhan Vong and how they could be reinvented?


(I sure hope we'll get Vong rather than Abeloth in the follow-up to the Ahsoka show...)

 

Canon has, in many ways, scavenged enough vong traits to render the vong themselves somewhat redundant.

The Nameless are from a sentient planet and they perfectly counter the Force, consuming it from individuals and leaving calcified dust in their wake.

The usage of the Nameless has somehow unleashed a blight that spreads from planet to planet draining everything of the force and life, terraforming it into barren landscapes.

Body horror, perfectly countering the Jedi through strange interactions with the Force, vast seemingly unstoppable terraforming of planets perpetuated by something that came from a living planet, a galactic scale threat focused on in a massive MMP that itself focuses on the Jedi.

Also using Vonduun crabs in a context greatly divorced from the Vong feels like a pretty explicit declaration that's not what they will do.

I am looking forward to seeing an updated Nagai and Tof though who feel somewhat likely given how much marvel loves bringing back aspects of its old series.

 

Same here

 

The Nagai, at least. The Tofs weren't the greatest idea even back in 1985; to audiences unfamiliar with them today they'd probably feel a bit too reminiscent of Star Trek's Orion pirates. But a wholehearted yes to the return of the Nagai. And given that they've been recanonizing characters from the classic series in (very) roughly chronological order (Jaxxon, Valance, the Tagge family, Kligson, Plif, and most recently the team of Rik, Dani, and Chihdo), it's just about the right time for it.

 

If Yuuzhan Vong invade Zeltros... would pheromones work on them?

Just imagine Vong partying hard when their superiors come to check what happened to their local invasion force. Enjoying the "Embrace of Joy" instead of Pain... easiest way to transform Vong society from within.

 

I think the Tof have enough going on aesthetically and culturally to set the apart as a return to Age of Sail type piracy in space. With petty plundering and looting parties taking advantage of the post endor chaos.

As a full scale galactic threat? Probably less so, but even in the OG comics they never seemed too interested in outright conquest. The only similarity they have with the Orion is being green pirates tbh.

 

Isn't Marchion Ro's species very similar to the Nagai / Dark Elves?
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Evereni
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nagai

The Evereni[4] were a sentient humanoid nomadic species, distinguished by their slate-gray skin and pitch-black eyes.[1] They once hailed from the planet Everon before the Great Storm ravaged their homeworld, which led to centuries of wars between the Evereni people and ultimately forced the survivors to flee into the galaxy.[4] During the High Republic Era, an Evereni male named Marchion Ro led a group of nihilistic marauders called the Nihil and posed a significant threat to the Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order.[1]
"Not fighting with knives, Marda Ro?"
"I have all the knives I need."
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Over their history of war and strife, the Evereni evolved from a species of caretakers to a grouping of individuals skilled in deception, lying, and manipulation. All the same, the Evereni Marchion Ro once remarked that his species was still a society of caretakers at heart, but that caretaking was focusing on saving one's own life above everything else.[4] To act as a "pure Evereni," in the opinion of Evereni Marda Ro, was to be as feral as her species' reputation implied they would always be.
...
After the last survivors of the Evereni left Everon around 500 BBY,[8] they became outlaws for trying to wipe out any other sentient species they found in the galaxy, forcing them to adapt again; they learned to hide their hatred from other life-forms, becoming beings skilled at deception and lies.[4] They developed a reputation for deception and treachery. They also avoided staying in one place and commonly left without saying any goodbyes, though they did also master how to say a goodbye should the need arise.[3]​

 

I've been thinking this over and got the idea that maybe instead the presence of Vonduun crabs on a planet on the edge of the galaxy could be a relic of a Vong appearance a long time ago, flipping them from a post-RotJ story in Legends to old Republic or even Dawn-era threat in Canon.

 

Theoretically you COULD do that, but in practice that would be a pretty big retcon. Nothing indicates the crab shell is anything but a giant crab shell. It breaks from the force of an aloxian child growing up, it doesn't have an inmate force field, it doesn't seem to be alive. They don't even seem to exist on any other planet and exist as a mild curiosity on one planet inhabited by a species who are clearly not vong.

It's like the canon use of Mairan, or the bounty hunter comics making Charon just wild animals on the Gand homeworld (which was too divorced from their original concept imo).

 

Background corpses of some of their ships in the Peridea galaxy. Gives that galaxy a sense of having history, that you can (kind of) learn more about by reading NJO.

Mysterious spooky easter eggs with no further elaboration.

 

This didn’t age well

 

What do the Grysk look like?

 

hu. I thought they would be more reptile like.

 

Aren't they infiltrators? Maybe being nondescript helps

 

They would definitely look out of place in most of the societies they infiltrate on account of UR societies tending to be single species hegemonies.

 

Could be the artstyle

 

It’s been pointed out by smarter people than me that their heads evoke Stormtrooper helmets.

 

100% agreed, the Nagai being brought into the Post-Jakku storylines would be a great way to go, personally i'm fine with the Tof coming back too, but only if they aren't the reason the Nagai are invading, just have them be rivals of the Nagai for dominance over their satellite galaxy and have them both come over to the main galaxy to expand their resources in order to win, i always disliked how the Tofs were introduced just to whitewash the Nagai in order to speed up the process of turning them to the Alliance's side, it would be more interesting if the concepts of peaceful resolution and understanding between the Nagai and the Rebels were actually explored instead of just introducing another big bad to make them join forces.

This way they can also give the Tof some semblance of depth instead of evil space pirates.

Also we NEED the Hiromi in Canon comics, have them be taken 100% seriously, but retain the enitrety of their original design:


Come on, Marvel.

 

"Captain Hookyr" and "Mr. Tahkay"... and the ashtray full of cigarette butts on the console... have mercy. Yeah, I'd be cool with getting the Hiromi back. That'd be fun.

The Tofs... I don't know. The old comic certainly had sillier ideas (as we can see above with the Hiromi). Much of my bias against them may stem from how they were used in those last few issues of the Marvel series; as noted above, they existed largely to defang an enemy that Jo Duffy had gone to great pains to establish as a credible and interesting threat to the Alliance. And the Tofs never once seemed like a credible threat to the Nagai, making them extra-difficult to swallow in that role.

I suppose if there's a way to bring them back without also making them seem like blatant rip offs of Trek's Orions, then sure. But I don't think I'd want to see them have the same relationship with the Nagai. If canon can take Crimson Jack out of the shorty-shorts, surely it can improve the Tofs.

 

They could go back to the notion that the Yuuzhan Vong are Sith, but instead make them a product of Sith alchemy. The descendents of people twisted by Sith dark magic. This making them even more the orcs of Star Wars.

Stang, maybe they aren't the products of the Sith the product of the Son or worshippers of the Son and from the nearby Peridea Galaxy.

 

I’m watching Babylon 5 for the first time, and in the season one episode “Deathwalker,” the title character, who is a war criminal who tested biological weapons on planetary populations, is referred to as a “war master.” This of course reminded me of Tsavong Lah, and her focus on biological weapons and research made me think of her as an alternate version of the YV.

Something like that could work well for the new canon. A warlike, highly destructive species who have very advanced biotech even though not all their technology is organic. It was a cool feature of the Yuuzhan Vong, but sometimes I wonder if it was too out-there and not enough at home in the visual universe of Star Wars. I still enjoy and appreciate it now—I’ve been rereading and loving Traitor—but I also couldn’t deny that it never felt like there was an iconic YV ship for me.