Lit Imperial Distinctions-the legends and Canon empires

The GA was the junior partner in the triumvirate-after all the Felpire actually had an army and navy. The GA just had Stazi's pride and the Jedi.

 

Order=Pellaeon telling everyone what to do.

 

Except for the part where the former GA forces were now GA again.

And the other part of the Triumvirate were the Jedi.

And it was called the Galactic Alliance.

 

The galactic alliance triumvirate. And the main triumvir was Marasiah Fel.

 

That's not how a triumvirate works.

The Galactic Alliance also always had a Triumvirate so the Empire has dissolved into it.

 

Actually, according to history, the triumvirates of the late Roman Republic were not bunches of equally-powered triumvirs in reality.

But anyways... the main point is that the Fel Empire clearly still existed. It wasn't dissolved. It was part of a provisional government.

 

This is what confused me about the voiceover of the Deceived trailer back in 2009. Sure, the Republic grew weaker, but if the Sith had not attacked it, that would not have been a problem.

 

Correction, it was called the Galactic Federation Triumvirate. The GA proper, while its full name was Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, never referred to itself as 'Federation', it was always 'Alliance'. Its also implied several times Imperial Forces do most of the heavy lifting. The way it looked was a temporary reconstruction authority. Stazi's probably worst off, the most forces he can rely on aside from his fleet are the GA Forces that surrendered to Krayt and enforced his will. Not really a great set of moral guys there.

I'm honestly not sure why they slapped the GA Starbird on the Triumvirate article on Wookieepedia, either. As far as I remember, it never once shows up in Legacy #2.

 

I see this as a step in Pellaeon's psychological progress towards the Bastion accords and the subsequent decade of peacetime leadership. The fact that the rest of the pre-reboot continuity made Pellaeon right is an irony. The first in a whole series, which make even my head hurt.

The problem with the NR, IMHO, is not that they lacked some quality which the Empire had - if anything, they had too much of the Empire in them; what they actually lacked was the tact and patience and tolerance which Pellaeon had learned from experience - an ironic inversion.

But, as to the question of the exact nature of the 137 ABY "Triumvirate", my basic thought is that the Alliance Remnant confers something far more valuable than fleets or bureaucrats - democratic legitimacy and popular support...

Good point. The way I understand the "Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" is that there are actually two "federations of free alliances" involved: firstly, there's the "Galactic Alliance", which is basically the NR renamed, and then there's the looser "Galactic Federation", which is a looser coalition between the ex-NR and additional allies - the Imperials, Hutts, Bakurans, Hapans, I think the Chiss, and even the Smuggler's Alliance, while the Jedi also seem to be in this bracket to make them constitutionally independent...

Within that structure, the "Federation" seems to be fairly loose agreement between governments, with no obvious central executive until the "Galactic Federation Triumvirate" of 137 ABY - the Alliance, the Empire and the Jedi Order each having a seat...

... but that doesn't change my point about the Alliance having the popular legitimacy...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Technically it would 140 ABY.

The Felpire likely is the dominant party by virtue of its navy and army.

And the IKs are more numerous and cohesive than the Jedi at this juncture.

While Pellaeon's prediction is an irony-it is a fascinating one from both an IU and OU perspective.

The Ossus debacle and the Sith imperial war in a lot of ways seem to me to be Pellaeon's vision of the empire's resurgence made real. Which is pretty astounding, even if the old admiral didn't live to see the fruits of his patience.

 

The Felpire doesn't count any of the former Sith military as their soldiers. They're still a tiny remnant of loyalists.

There's an entire planet of Jedi and there's like a dozen IK total. They were never a large sect.

 

A lot of Jedi after the end of the Sith imperial war but before Krayt's coup joined the IKs.

 

That's like 5 minutes between the two.

We know one woman joined

 

I don't think it was five minutes-it was anywhere from a week to a few months. At least that make sense to me given Fel would have to go accept the alliance surrender, install the government at coruscant, move the bureaucracy to coruscant, administer the demobilization of GA forces, etc...

 

Darth Krayt did that since Fel was overthrown and they destroyed the Jedi Temple against his orders.

 

Fel moved his throne and the imperial court IIRC to coruscant before the coup though IIRC.

 

The issue isn't about dominance, though. The issue is about acceptance.

Can't agree here. Sith machinations, aggression, and handing things on a plate to Krayt do not seem like good things. I tend to think that the NR's failure against the YV is the real point where Pellaeon proves his point.

- The Imperial Ewok

 

I think if you ignore Krayt and the one Sith piggy backing off the imperial victory and usurping the throne Pellaeon's prediction holds true.

The GA did fail in the eyes of its citizens, it did collapse(with many worlds seceding), and the imperial mission paved the way for the empire to be accepted when it had not been in the days of palpatine(at least for many worlds).

 

"But apart from the trash compactors, the bacta, protocol droids, hot chocolate, aid projects, hyperlanes, a free political system, and replacement limbs, what did the Galactic Alliance ever do for us?"

- The Imperial Ewok

 

I'm sure the Felpire kept the trash collectors, protocol droids, hyper lanes, they probably had more aid projects(remember the imperial mission), and I'm sure the imperial mission included replacement limbs and medical care as well.

 

I still find it curious as to why the imperial mission was apperently even nessary. Some Del Rey officials apparently confirmed that there were no major wars after the end of FotJ until Legacy and FotJ even implies it was a golden age of peace under Jedi-god-queen Alanna. So why would so many planets be in such dire needs to submit to the empires authority for aid during these times?
To me it seems like a lazy plot idea to make the empire a major faction again without the Fels getting blood on their hands.

 

My interpretation was that Allana's golden age if it did occur was a time in which she either ruled the Hapes consortium, was Jedi grandmaster or some other major political role-it's always been my interpretation not to interpret the throne of balance literally but rather a symbol for the galaxy's politics and current spiritual/moral drift.

Assuming Allana was crowned(literally or figuratively) around her twenties or thirties and reigned at least for forty years-that means 80 ABY would be when imperial subversion efforts started in earnest.

It's also a suspicion of mine that the galactic alliance was continually hobbled by its tense relations with the Jedi, the fallout of the SCGW, Daala's rule and the Jedi coup and the various conspiracies during that time. Hence the triumvirate being a political arrangement to maintain stability-that tells me the GA faced severe structural and political weaknesses and crises.

Something the empire's victory without program likely encouraged and exacerbated.

It's my suspicion that without an external enemy-political unity and cohesion in the GA which was already sorely lacking to being nonexistent further deteriorated-much like the NR in the days just prior to the Vong war and in the immediate period before the end of the GCW-with local conflicts and tensions and the capital being a center of incompetence, malice, intrigue, and indifference.

Basically the GA was a castle built on quicksand-which was sinking underneath its foundations and the triumvirate was desperately trying to hold the ship together.

The imperial mission seems very much something jag and Jaina and their likely compatriots would have come up with-jag wasn't emperor by the end of FOTJ but apparently he did take the position and start a dynasty at some point-likely relatively soon after FOTJ. It was probably seen as both a way to appease the hard line moffs who couldn't be happy without seeing imperial resurgence, a way to increase imperial clout without unnecessary wars, and something Jaina encouraged because it was genuinely helpful to people.

That's my headcanon for the period of 45 to 127 ABY.

 

You do realize that the Imperial Mission was Han Solo's idea, right? An idea that the Moff's were completely opposed to and only agreed to at blasterpoint.

 

I mean well they had to do-given jag was installed on them by force. Just becuase an idea is successful doesn't mean it was originally popular or indigenous to the entity bringing into being in question.