Imperial Remnant Strength/Inventory/Order-of-Battle

When they say 3,000, do they mean the entire ship complement, since there are only around 203 Star Destroyers?

3,000 is insanely small. The Empire really took a beating during and after the Battle of Endor!

 

Was the Defiant ever destroyed in battle?

 

Numerically, the Empire did not lose that many ships at Endor.

In fact, most of the losses came from the wars between the Empire and its splinter factions and then in the Emperor's bid to re-take the galaxy six years later.

 

You guys are all awesome.

So if the Defiant is still around, why is the Remnant starfleet flagship at the end of TUF the Right to Rule instead of Defiant?

 

Just to clarify, the Hand of Thrawn Duology says that the Empire hase 200 Star Destroyers and a few thousand lesser ships.

Note that it only says Star Destroyers. That leads me to believe that the 200 figure includes all types of Star Destroyers, including VicStars, SSD's, etc. As for other ships, it is mentioned during a scence in the Senate that the Empire only has a few thousand lesser ships.

Therefore, the number of around 3,000 warships total is accurate. It may seem small, but when you consider that the New Republic only had about the same number in terms of strategic warships (Not counting those permanently assigned to defend key worlds or sectors), the number does seem to be a bit more impressive. The New Republic easily outnumbered the Imperial fleet in the HoT duology, but they had the disadvantage of having to spread their fleet throughout the galaxy, since at this point most of the known galaxy was NR. The Imperial advantage was that their fleets were much more concentrated.

--Adm. Nick

 

Not to mention the New Republic military forces were never of real great quality or power.

Nothing will ever match the Galactic Empire's military. Not even the Remnant.

 

Pellaon might have thought the super-heavy cannons of an ISD-I to be better suited, than the smaller cannons of the ISD-II to deal with the Yuuzhan Vong.

Aside from that, do we know, if the Right to Rule was an ISD from the beginning. If it just said ImperialStarDestroyer it might have been everything up to an Executor.

Concerning the fleet-size of the IR in HoT: While the attitude of Pellaeon fits the assumptions of the NR about the size of the remaining imperial forces, estimates of the NR on said forces are only estimates. So the IR could have a lot more, than we all think.

 

Thats a big stretch FTeik. There is no evidence that the IR fleet is any bigger than what is said in the HoT books.

Besides, the IR is only eight sectors. Not very hard to keep a tab on. Further more, you overlook a crucial point- only about a year eariler Pellaeon was trounced by Admiral Ackbar is a major campaign. Since the Empire was fighting for suvival, I doubt that Pellaeon held any ships back. Therefore, I am sure that the NR had a pretty good idea of what types of ships the Empire had at their disposal.

The IR fleet is stated to be at 200 Star Destroyers and a few thousand lesser capital ships. No point is trying to argue otherwise.

--Adm. Nick

 

The Remant's fleet consists of ~200 Star Destroyers - which works out at about eight sector fleets plus a strategic fleet to match the NR's pre-war levels.

By inference, these include no Executor-class ships, but we can't entirely rule out the possibility of the odd Allegiance-class ship? One unexpected (five-mile-long) Super Star Destroyer is seen at Bastion in Destiny's Way. There's no evidence that she's called Defiant.

We know from Survivor's Quest that the Empire of the Hand has Star Destroyers. Careful reading of the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy suggests that Thrawn shipjacked three SSDs and forty-one other Star Destroyers from Black Sword command before they could be recalled to the Deep Core...

I would suspect that most police/sector work in the Empire of the Hand is performed by local forces in the manner of the Old Republic and the New Republic, so their "line" navy remains deployable as strategic forces, including fleets for local campaigns like old Imperial priority sectors.

As such, coupling the Black Sword ships with the ships known from other sources, and assuming a constant level of manpower, they could easily have a "strategic" fleet comparable to that of the New Republic and the Remnant...

What they probably lack is a developed industrial and economic infrastructure even to compare with the Outer Rim...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

A lot of you are talking about the Remnant at the time of the HoT Duology. I wanna know the status of the Remnant at the end of TUF. The amount of time between each story is a lot so the HoT Duology is not a good indicator of the status of the Remnant.

 

I wanna know the status of the Remnant at the end of TUF.

We don't know the status of the Remnant as of TUF; the best we can do is wild speculation, and you don't want that-- trust me.

 

Darth_Guy, I really appreciate all your responses. I haven't kept up with the EU as much as I should've, so thanks for updating me on the status of my favorite faction in Star Wars.

 

Well, at the end of the NJO the Imperial Remnant was in the same boat as everyone else- they needed to rebuild. Bastion was razed, while Muunilinst and other worlds were hit or occupied. Despite Pellaeon's hope to keep any worlds they liberated, that most likely did not happen. Most IR actions were done in concert with the NR/GA. Furthermore, the NJO does not mention any Imperial fleets liberating worlds from the Vong.

In all, the IR ended the NJO the same size but in very good standing with the Galactic Alliance. They may prove to be valuable ally of the GA in the post NJO trilogy.

--Adm. Nick

 

I think the Remnant should be a "moving" Empire, meaning they're based solely on starships. LOL

 

Though from that conversation in TFP between some GFFA officers (I think it was Wedge and someone) about the IR getting worlds, from their choice of words, it seemed like the IR had already grabbed some Vong held worlds from Pellaeon's counter offensive at the end of FHI.

Then there's whatever forces that Daala has left in the Deep Core (which is probably not much) and whoever supported the Shadow Academy.

 

You sparked a really stupid question from me...

What happened to Admiral Daala? LOL

 

IIRC, she exiled herself for incompetence..

 

Sinrebirth: So you're saying that the Remnant SSD type was of the 12.8 km type?

 

Yep, that's what I too thought when I read that passage in DW.

And WJW says that it was a brand new, Remnant built ship, which rules out a revamped hull of the Reaper, Intimidator or a ship from the EotH.

I'd like to know what happened to it after FH I (It most likely wasn't at Bastion for obvious reaons, and I think it probably was part of Pellaeon's grand counteroffensive against the Vong after Borosk)