Interesting that Anakin received only one dream/vision of his future. Why no others?

this is similar to the way i see it.

i guess the best compairison in our world would be the Tao.

It is not good, it is not evil, it is.

how we perceive it, if we perceive it at all is everything.

 

Because the Sith came from the Jedi. He wasn't sure that he had just faced a Sith, until reaching Coruscant. Though he does not mention the dark side, he does not deny it doesn't exist either.

Actually, it is the Force's will that Anakin die, because he is a Sith now. And he has to die, in order for the Force to be balanced. While being one with the Force, one can see things, but you can only see possibilities. People still have to make the decision to follow that particular path or not. They can see that confronting Vader a second time will make or break Luke, but they are not certain which path he will take.

 

Like I said before, being dead does not equal equal knowledge with the Force. In the end, Ben was still making the same mistakes he would have done if he were still alive.

 

Yeah, that has bothered me too. One would think that after joining the force, a person would become wiser and almost all knowing.

 

Hmmmm....., you all have really opened up something very interesting here. I had always thought that becoming one with the Force and retaining one's identity after death would give the person an "all knowing" type of abilities. I had assumed that becoming one with the Force equated to knowing the will of the Force, thus the person would be truly able to help guide the person or persons they appeared to in the right direction.

But from what you all have presented that is not necessarily the case. I imagine that the person is more like an angel per se. They only receive instructions to give to the person they appear to, but they do not necessarily know or understand why they are giving the instructions, but moreso have no real idea as to how things will turn out.

For example, when Luke tells Obi-Wan in ROTJ that he cannot kill his own father, after Obi-Wan said, You cannot escape your destiny, you must face Darth Vader again, Ben responds with then the Emperor has already won, you were our only hope. It did sound like Obi-Wan still "retained" his belief that Vader must be killed, so of course he has to push Luke to this confrontation. But he does not know why he is compelled to do so, except that Obi-Wan knows that the Sith must be destroyed. So one would gather that he believed that now the fulfillment of the prophecy rested with Luke.

So I believe the Force used Obi-Wan to get Luke into position to confront Vader, though Luke by the Force felt the good left in him. The two came together to help bring about the outcome we all know. If Obi-Wan had known how things were to turn out, he would have no doubt shared this with Luke, and oddly could have messed up the outcome because Luke may not have done things the way he did.

Darth Sin!

 

In a way, that is right. They do no know everything. They only know what they know, but nothing beyond that. They know that the solution lies in destroying the Sith and that does happen. But how it happens was unknown to the Jedi.

 

The reason I believe the Jedi who joined the Force dont know is because the "Force" itself does not know. Which goes along with my Super Mother Nature outlook of the Force, which means the Force is neither good nor bad. Ergo, the dark side/light side is only an interpretation of the Force users. Maybe the phophesy was written as the destruction of all Force users and the Jedi misinterpreted Force users as Sith. After all, wasnt the galaxy filled with Sith at the time the prohesy was written ?

 

First of all, Darkside users call it the dark side many, many times. Heck, Return of the Jedi it's side practically every 5 minutes. "You will feel the power of the dark side...". The fact that it's not said EVERY time doesn't mean they don't understand the differentiation.

Besides, most beings truly believe they're right. After all, Lucifer is a fallen angel. He believes he did the right thing and is in the right. We make the distinctions, not the people whom we are making determinations on.

 

Yep. Even Ben, after lying through his teeth and urging an innocent young boy to patricide, insisted that he was doing the right thing, "from a certain point of view."

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

First, we know that Obi-wan wasn't lying. He was telling the truth as he saw it. He was going to explain everything once he completed his training, which was also when he could handle the burden of knowing the truth.

Second, Lucas has said that it was about the Sith. Never about the Jedi. The prophecy was specific that the Force is balanced when good and evil are in alignment. The Sith push it out.

 

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RE: Sith pushing the the force 'out-of-balance'

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes!"
~ Obi-Wan to Anakin on Mustafar

"Power! Un-lim-ited POWER!"
~ Darth Sidious, cooking Windu

 

Hey, I'm going by what Lucas said. He never said the Jedi were the cause. Just the Sith causing a massive shift in the balance, by giving evil a bigger advantage over good. Both need to be on a level scale.