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Interspecies mating...what combinations work and what doesn't?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Jedimarine, Nov 3, 2006.

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  1. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    Lek tails also archive memories. They don't scratch backs, though.
     
  2. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Nice..
    =D=
     
  3. SephyCloneNo15

    SephyCloneNo15 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Such a shame. They're perfectly positioned to hit up all those hard-to-reach spots.
     
  4. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    "They feel like bags of sand?"

    "Yeah. Being with a Twi'lek is just...really weird."
     
  5. SephyCloneNo15

    SephyCloneNo15 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I'm never gonna be able to look at another female Twi'lek without thinking "Me so horny. Me love you long time."
     
  6. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    lol

    Have you seen "A Clone Apart"? Youtube it. Trust me.
     
  7. SephyCloneNo15

    SephyCloneNo15 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I have now. [face_laugh] =D=
     
  8. NelanisGhost

    NelanisGhost Jedi Youngling star 4

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    You never know until you try.
     
  9. SephyCloneNo15

    SephyCloneNo15 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I can't tell if you're talking about trying new interspecies breeds or trying new humorous machinima.

    On the subject of which, I'm a bit ticked off that we haven't gotten Ep. 82 of RvB for regular users. It's usually only two days between the Sponsors-Only version and the regular version, unless I'm mistaken.
     
  10. johnthejedi24

    johnthejedi24 Jedi Master star 3

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    this is a related uqestion but it does have to do with interspecies mating:

    I am currently reading the Novel "West of Eden" by Harry Harrison and there is a scene in the book where a one of the main characters; a female Intelligent evolutionized dinosaur mates with a human character. Now what I need to know is if this is even remotely possible, the intelligent dinosaur is bipedal and cold blooded and the human is well...baseline human. Is it possible for a species of completely different Genus...a reptile to mate with a mammal? A cloaca is not all that different from the main human female sexual organ....would stuff fit? Would the different physiliogy cause a Reptile to not Get "into the mood"? The guy who wrote this spent several years researchng the evolution of humanity and the possible evolutionary outcomes for Dinosaurs..etc and its so far a pretty good book but fairly dark with little humor.

    How would it work out with say Trandoshans,ssi-ruk,Barabel...etc, would they only be able to mate with their own species or would other species of possibly completely different genus be able to do the nasty with them.
     
  11. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    You can "mate" with pretty much anything, so long as the parts line up. Vacuum cleaners, bedposts, dolphins, dogs... you name it, I'm sure someone's tried boinking it at some point.

    Producing offspring won't work outside of, at most, the same family, however. Dinos and humans is impossible, and humans and some critter that evolved on another planet is beyond impossible.

    It is possible to artificially squish two embryos from disparate species together and produce pathetically hilarious animals known as chimeras, however-- see 'geep' (goat/sheep combos) and 'camas' (camel/llama combos). They're probably only viable if they're similar animals, though; I can't imagine, say, a grasshopper/mouse combo making it anywhere close to full term.

    I would guess that, if Sith aren't descendants of another lost colony, that the chimera method is the Sith Alchemy used by the Dark Jedi.
     
  12. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Some of you guys should take a genetics class.
    :)
     
  13. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    If you take into account the truly gigantic number of species, and the relatively similar traits many of them have, you get a high number of combinations in relatively few genetic sequences.

    I bet there are atleast a couple genetic codes that could take a liking to one another.

    And of course, there HAVE to be genetic "take all comers" out there like Kif from Futurama!

    the GFFA is big enough for "smizmars".
     
  14. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    No more so than your Jedi "wizardry".[face_peace]
     
  15. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I actually agree here...ranks of bad guys flinch at the mention of Jedi.
     
  16. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    My point exactly.;)
     
  17. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Which is why we're in agreement. Remember the scene in the RotK novel with the other Dunedain kicking arse...totally Jedi-esque.
     
  18. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Yep..
     
  19. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    I know.[face_laugh]

    Or rather, one could say that the Jedi are Dunedain-esque considering that the latter predate them.;)

    Hmm, this is making me think of the literal connotations of Bloodlines and Legacy of the Force now...
     
  20. johnthejedi24

    johnthejedi24 Jedi Master star 3

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    Hey, 000; maybe I am a bit bone-headed righty this minute but when you said dinos and humnas and humans and species could not do it. Did you mean mating or producing off-spring? Oh, and Dolphins and dogs are mammals so they can do it but whay about members of the reptile Genus?

    This question was never really clearly answered, is it possible in nature for say am Iguana to try to impregnate a member of the mammal genus, or would the Iguana require a certain scent or pheremone of a female iquana to get it "riled up"? Sorry for all the questtions everybody but my google-fu skills are sort of lacking right now and I have found them some=tims unrelaible inm the past when they bring up thousands of entries on things I don't need.

     
  21. Lady_Padme_Organa

    Lady_Padme_Organa Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Okay, I saw this post, and I couldn't resist puting my two cents in. Forgive me for seeming kind of weird, for I'm only 16 and a sophomore in high schooland therefore am not a professional in terms of genetics and reproduction. . . .

    Anyway. .off topic. . . I think the genetics of Star Wars are kind of like in dogs. Like if they are similiar, they could probably mate and have fertile offspring. If not, then either the mom would die, or the child would. Like with dogs, if a German Sheperd(sp?)and a Siberian Husky were to mate, they'd have fertile, healthy pups. On the other hand, if a male German Sheperd(sp?) and, say, a Chiwawa(sp?) were to mate, either the pups would be sickly and die, or the Chiwawa(sp?)would die because the pups would be too big.

    I think the same basic idea applies to Star Wars. If a Twi'lek and Human were to get together and get down to it(if you get my drift) I don't see why kids couldn't come out of it. They may be unfertile, but still!

    [face_peace]
     
  22. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    John: Offspring of any sort, viable or not, would be impossible-- you're not asking that though.

    The basic act of sex, on the other hand, is possible and not too difficult between disparate species, so long as the parts line up.

    I'm unsure about how it would work with dinos, though, since I don't know enough about them. I know (or think I know) that modern reptiles and birds don't have the same equipment we mammals do, but I'm not sure whether that would be a huge obstacle or not. As for arousal-- humans can get turned on by all sorts of random stuff, so no problem on that end, but I'm unsure about whether the lizard would feel the same way.

    Padme Organa: Dogs are all the same species (even the same subspecies), actually, and can all reproduce amongst another without any difficulty, barring size issues-- it's very dangerous for small breed dogs to carry large breed mixes to term, for obvious reasons. The dramatic degree of variety you see between them is the result of breeding-- at the genetic level, they're essentially identical.

    Domestic dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) can also breed without any difficulty with Grey Wolves (C. lupus x)-- their immediate ancestors-- and with Coyotes (Canis latrans), Red Wolves (Canis rufus), and any other species of genus Canis. Foxes, however, belong to a different genus (and tribe), and are genetically distinct enough to be unable to breed with Dogs. I'm unsure as to whether an embryo would even form, but even were that to happen the offspring would not be viable. So, even in the same family (Canidae), crossbreeding isn't a guarantee. When you move out into the greater order that Dogs belong to, Carnivora, it isn't even an issue-- were a dog and cat to try breeding (which is for obvious reasons unlikely), the sperm and egg would never even be able to join, let alone form an embryo. A dog and something as disparate a frog would be too absurd to even consider.

    The same holds true for Star Wars genetics. Humans and their various descendants should all be able to interbreed to some extent-- the Wolf/Dog analogy is actually a good one for that situation. Humans and any other species would not be able to; it's be like a trout and a mouse trying to breed, although even that's not an accurate example, since, for example, a Twi'lek would come from an entirely separate evolutionary lineage than a human, whereas a fish and mouse are at least distantly related if you trace the genes far enough back.

    So, in summation: Humans and near-humans (which are, by definition, humans or human descendants) can interbreed with little to no difficulty. Beyond that, interbreeding is impossible.

    Similarly, interbreeding among two closely-related species (Duros and Neimoidians, Bith and Y'Bith, and so on) wouldn't be too much of a problem; interbreeding outside of that is impossible.

    Hope that makes sense; it's a bit long winded, but I'm too lazy to go back and reread it all. :p
     
  23. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    It makes sense.
     
  24. johnthejedi24

    johnthejedi24 Jedi Master star 3

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    Thanks, 000, for the information, It helped.
     
  25. BobaMatt

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    Emphasis mine. I was actually thinking about this earlier, when someone said that life in the SW universe is diverse enough that it's possible that two beings of completely different species from completely different worlds can end up, quite coincidentally, biologically compatible. Of course, in real life, this doesn't make sense, because the mechanics of reproduction, all the way down to the microscopic level, would develop completely differently. However, SW biology seems to be such that most carbon based life seems to have all come from the same single cellular stock, and most likely even later than that. Beings are not so wildly different that - and in universe science is such that - it doesn't seem that most beings are as wildly different on a microscopic level as one would expect if they evolved completely separately. In fact, species remain divided into mammals, reptiles, insects, fish, amphibians, plants, cephalopods and birds. Even classifications that don't exist here on Earth - reptavians and reptomammals - technically kinda existed at some point in Earth prehistory. Mammals are even further broken down into cetaceans, canines, felines, and pachyderms. Biologically speaking, it seems most life came from one planet.

    Of course, I don't think this is the intention, and so we're just going to have to assume that the building blocks of life - like the humanoid form - are just universal staples. Suspension of disbelief.
     
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