Interspecies relationships

Now hang on a minute here!

Should our sexual morality be predicated on biological compatability, or on a combination of attraction, sufficient psychological maturity and consent, coupled with "live and let live", which, phrased one way or another, is a fairly fundamental moral tenet...

I don't think an interspecies relationship would be that different biologically from one between clinically infertile pairings within the same species - where's 88 when you need her? - and for what it's worth, people have been usuing inanimate sex aids (melons, cucumbers, ergonomic handcraft objects, small robots, blondes) for a long, long time...

But, to get back to moral philosophy: ultimately, continence and mastery of urges and emotions can be regarded as a "better" or "higher" attitude, but it's not possible for everyone; if the itch needs scratched, and you happen to have fallen hard for a Bothan, is it better to scratch the itch, or get screwed up and unhealthily unhappy trying to deny that it exists?

But, if it is wrong, who does more wrong: those who do wrong; or those who then wrong them?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

You're denying the alternatives that exist between denying the existence of the desire and giving in completely to that desire.

Most notably, acknowledging that the desire exists, and that it is unhealthy/inappropriate. Then, subsequently, finding out the true source of the unhealthy desire, and working thorugh those issues until the desire disappears.

 

The only reason interspecies are possible in franchises like Star Wars is that most "nonhuman" sentients are absurdly humanlike in appearance and personality. [McEwok] In fact, humanoid species in the GFFA probably share a common ancestor and/or creator. [/McEwok]

 

Don't I rememeber in the second X-wing book that the selonian that corran horn went out with had some kind of a reaction from corran?

So I guess that there are times when it is either not possible or something of the sort.

 

So GAJ Aragon and Arwen... so totally disgusting right?

 

George
The way I see it interspecies relationships are closer to an African American and a Caucasian having a relationship.

No it's not. A human and a bothan are completely different species

Note the now boldened closer. Bothans are closer to being a human than a dog. They are sentient. Humanoid. According to Gavin they have all the right parts. So what if they have fur?

McEwok
where's 88 when you need her?

I think she's still mad at you for stalking.

Jello
So in other words, you're saying that it is moral for people to hook up merely for the purpose of sexual interests because everything happens to fit in the right place?

No. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with two males and females of different species hooking up. They are consenting sentient adults of different genders.

Great analogy farraday.

 

Genetically, asumming the pseudo(?) thrawn common ancestory theory is wrong, humans would be closer genetically to dogs then bothans.



Of course realistically the chances of so many seperate species being physically compatable, not to mention a large number genetically compatable, without a common ancestor are incredibly insanely tiny.

 

Why is it that people are so up in arms about the interspecies relationship concept in Starwars? You don't get this in other science fiction and fantasy brands. No one gets so up in arms about a human and an elf in Lord of the Rings or a human and a Vulcan or Klingon or Romulan or Ferengi in Star Trek. They even address the issue on broadcast TV in Trek.
Most of the Star Wars species are semi-humanoid. They are bi-pedal, sentient, and caple of expressing consent. But most importantly they are fictional characters.

 

Well, I think the whole inter-species thing is silly in Star Trek too.

It's a bit different in LOTR and other fantasy settings, however, as there is usually the element of a divine intelligence guiding their creation.

I just find the idea stupid that two species from entirely different planets with entirely different evolutionary histories

A) End up looking nearly identical
B) Are sexually compatible
c) Find members of another species sexually attractive
d) Can produce hybrid offspring

Actually, d) is probably the most stupid.

Why is there a fetish for alien-sex in sci-fi? Why is this considered a-OK but writers are loathe to show homosexual relationships between individuals of the same species?

It's just one of my pet peeves about the genre.

They are bi-pedal, sentient, and caple of expressing consent.

So, hypothetically, if it could be proven that dolphins were sentinent, and if we found a way to communicate with them, are you saying the only thing that would make you object to Flipper and your sister hooking up would be that Flipper couldn't walk around on his hind fins?

 

Her relationship with Flipper would be great, until she makes a crack about how he's "faster than lightning."

 

This is my longest topic post so far, and one of my first. it is going great and I am glad so many people support my views.

I also wanted to ask if anybody knows if there is some kind of test somebody could take on the net to determine if they are xenophobic. That is one of the things I could not understand with the empire what is up with their speciest attitude?

 

I can pretty much assure you that, if we discover life on other worlds, its unlikely we'll be able to have sex with it.

 

"So, hypothetically, if it could be proven that dolphins were sentinent, and if we found a way to communicate with them, are you saying the only thing that would make you object to Flipper and your sister hooking up would be that Flipper couldn't walk around on his hind fins?"

The bipedalism doesn't even matter, I was just using that as a general descriptive of Starwars alien races.

As for my sister, it depends on what Flipper was like as a sentient being. If he is a jerk, of course I would object, just like I would object her dating a human who is a jerk. But if Flipper was a decent sentient being who treated my sister well and made her happy, then I wish them both well. I won't think badly of Flipper because he is a different species than me and what they do in their private lives is really none of my buisness. If they could find a way to make a life together filled with happiness and that is consentual, then good for them. I wish all of us could be so lucky.

I agree with you on the issue that it is dumb that sci-fi/fantasy is so quick to adopt interspecies relationships but run away from the issue of homosexuality. Especially since interspecies relationships are usually played toward the libedo of the male authors and audience.

 

I just find the idea stupid that two species from entirely different planets with entirely different evolutionary histories

That's one great reason to support creation.

A) End up looking nearly identical

There are millions of alien species in the galaxy. That a few thousand would be humanoid is not insane.

B) Are sexually compatible

Some are and some aren't.

c) Find members of another species sexually attractive

Look at some good pics of Aayla and then tell my you don't think she is hot.

d) Can produce hybrid offspring

Actually, d) is probably the most stupid.

Very few can. Gavin and Asyr were going to adopt because humans and Bothans aren't compatible and even if they were they wouldn't want there children to be freaks.

Why is there a fetish for alien-sex in sci-fi? Why is this considered a-OK but writers are loathe to show homosexual relationships between individuals of the same species?

Homosexuality is wrong in the opinions of many with religious beliefs. I can't remember seeing anything against alien sex in the Bible though.

It's just one of my pet peeves about the genre.

And the bad guys losing is one of mine. Doesn't mean the Imps will win. They can't even win in infinities. Now that sucks.

 

Man, that's one thing I may never get. I could see how you could be physically attracted to a Twi'lek, but I don't understand how a Bothan could catch your eye. I just don't like to think about it.

I take it you've never heard of "Furries"? There's a lot of bizarre fetishes out there. You and I may not be able to understand how or why, but there are people out there in real life who can find Bothans and even Hutts erotic.

I can pretty much assure you that, if we discover life on other worlds, its unlikely we'll be able to have sex with it.

Well, even if things don't fit there's other ways they might have fun assuming both have erogonous zones.

 

I can pretty much assure you that, if we discover life on other worlds, its unlikely we'll be able to have sex with it.



Golden.

 

I can pretty much assure you that, if we discover life on other worlds, its unlikely we'll be able to have sex with it.
LOL! However, by your logic, two women can't have sex but they still find ways to please each other. As long as the other hypothetical species has an erogonous zone, humans will hook up with it at some point.

 

Would anybody on this board support an interspecies relationship in the real world or would any of you be against it. would there have to be like a constitutional amendment or something to support something like this if somebody was to actually do it.

 

If the species is sapient and can consent, I say go for it.

 

My brother WAS gay. He died of his own lack of vision (he didn't take his meds).

On topic. I didn't want to watch him in his relationships or read about them. I don't want to read or watch anyone past the "bedroom door" so to speak.

As for moraly or hypocrisy. If my child was to be in a relation ship with another sentiant life form as long as its the opposite sex I would hope I wouldn't mind. No matter what. Weather I like it or not .If it is a same sex relationship. I would despreatly want my love to stand strong for both of us to accept their life.

 

Presuming sentience, affection, and consent, I find nothing wrong i theory with two individuals of different speicies having a relationship. While I'd rather not see some of the more intimate acts between most of them, why deny two sentient beings happiness?

 

Lank_Pavail
While I'd rather not see some of the more intimate acts between most of them,

Depends on the alien. I can imagine Aayla and Quin. I could live with that.

why deny two sentient beings happiness?

Happiness is overrated.

 

As long as everyone involved is a consenting, sentiant adult then I don't care what two or more people do in private. I may not want to see or hear about it, but I'm not about to start trying to force my beliefs on people. As long as no one gets hurt who isn't a consenting, sentiant adult, people can do what they want.

 

To clarify: no, I'm not saying "interspeciess sex right; repression wrong"; I'm saying that, whatever ambiguities there may be in the issue there are worse things in the GFFA than Gavin/Asyr or even Caet/Tavira...

As to the question of what exactly constitutes an "interspecies" pairing, there are a variety of subtly (and not-so-subtly) different issues involved here, so it makes sense to summarise them...

Some "species" in SW are actually no more than divergent phenotypes - the milk-blue-skinned Ferroans are an instance of a "species" defined in this way (since Jabitha's grandfather was apparently baseline human)...

"Cousin" species that produces sterile offspring, like real-world mules (is that wrong?); human/Theelin might be an example of this...

Then, rather more confusingly, there are intimations that the Yuuzhan Vong and the Sith (which, in later millennia, seems to mean the Myke) were created as species through genetic engineering (or in the case of the YV, perhaps simple biosmithing construction) out of incompatible rootstock strands (baseline human and Massassi Sith)... the Myke are apparently considered "human" by the Empire, and I suspect that even if human/YV pairings weren't biologically compatible, producing a hybrid would be within the capacity of their biotech...

Then there are the very obviously nonhuman species - Bothans, Wookies, Mon Calamari, and so forth... if these species have any evolutionary connection with the original human homeworld, they're likely to have evolved (or been uplifted) seperatedly from nonsentient species... some are mammalian (it's c-canon that Bothan or Selonian females can engage in sterile pseudoreproductive sex with Mike Stackpole's self-insertion characters), but with things the implied Winter/Ackbar of JA3, it would be a question of finding the relevant erogenous zones for simple pleasure...

Then there are pseudohumans - species who look like baseline humans, but aren't... these fall into two broad categories - engineered replicants and evolved nonhumans...

Among the "replicants", we should include the HRD series droids and the Zelosians, who, in spite of outward appearances, are sentient plants who bleed green sap... now while the outward mechanics of Zelosian reproduction apparently immitate those of humans, I doubt that a Zelosian/human relationship could be fertile (though I do think that Jacen Solo needs a nice Zelosian girl); Guri is a different matter, though - it is technically possible that she has some sort of internal reservoir of the relevant biological material, and is capable of concieving and bringing to term a fully human son or daughter...

Then there are the evolved pseudohumans - by which I mean species who have developed, apparently "naturally", to resembled humans while being genetically distinct, and for whom interspecies attraction serves a cultural, recreational and evolutionary, though not reproductive, purpose... Twi'leks probably fall into this category, and the Falleen certainly do...

Now the Falleen are reptiles - cold-blooded (egg-laying ?!) and obviously reproductively incompatable - but they use interspecies sex as a nonreproductive "evolutionary strategy" - and this is regarded as more or less acceptable by both humans and Falleen.

Mara in Balance Point and Shmi in Tatooine Ghost both note the attractiveness of Falleen females, in spite of their obvious alienness, and Mara certainly doesn't blink at the thought that a Falleen could be mentally undressing a human...

Somewhat bizarrely, nonmammalian pseudohumans (including HRDs, Zelosians, Twi'leks and Falleen) are considered acceptable partners for humans according to the TF.N 'fic guidlines, while divergent human phenotypes and mammalian nonhumans aren't...

Then there are the genuinely bizarre issues - it's concievable that an ooglith cloaker could be sexually functional, even sexually fertile; similarly, it's not impossible that some species could use interspecies hosts to incubate their offspring in the manner made famo