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Is Anakin and Padme's relationship NOT suppose to be creepy?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Kish, Jul 8, 2005.

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  1. Kish

    Kish Jedi Youngling star 2

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    After watching all three prequels I still can't figure out if Ani/Padme's relationship is suppose to be "normal". It seems like GL's intention was to create a love story about two kids who feel some sort of connection at first sight and are destined to be married. But what we end up having is a 9 year old boy falling for a 15 year old girl. I don't know about you, but I wasn't obsessing over girls at 9. The fact that he kept Padme in his mind for 10 years 10! doesn't make it any better.

    No doubt Anakin came across many young hotties as he was a Padawan, and he turned them all down? For a girl he met when he was 9?


    Then in AOTC he gets really possesive and creepy to a girl he hasn't seen in 10 years. While it seems like Padme has never had a romantic thought about him in that time span. But for whatever reason, having serious authority and violence issues seems to work in Anakin's favor. Nothing wins a girl more then slaughtering innocent women and children savages and then crying like a girl about it afterwards.

    For the most part, I simply told myself to ignore all the creepyness. That's not the point. For the sake of the story all I have to know is that Anakin and Padme are committed and deeply love each other.


    Was the love story suppose to be so creepy and childish? I get the impression that Lucas thought the whole thing was fairly normal and didn't write it with the intention of showing a screwed up relationship between two people.
     
  2. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    She's a Queen, senator, hot, he saved her life a few times and risked death together more than once. How is there not supposed to be a bond between them? :p

    Padme just likes playing hard to get. :p
     
  3. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    I've always thought it was really stupid.

    The whole PT story would have probably benefited if Anakin and Padme met in Ep. II instead of I.

    And it would have made Anakin more likable too. Instead of having him go from annoying to creepy stalker to dark he could have gone from annoying to normal to dark.

    The PT is filled with things like this that make no sense to me. Heck it's been 3 years and I'm still confused over "There appears to be no motive." Was Obi-Wan high or something?
     
  4. chiss_man

    chiss_man Jedi Master star 6

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    They should have been closer in age in the first one, for sure. It was really creepy how they were so affectionate in TPM when he was nine. Two teenagers meeting in II, would have probably worked out better to lower the creepy factor. Lucas cannot write a romance like he tried to do in the PT, that much is clear.
     
  5. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Part of what I don't get is the fact that people are taking Anakin's words at face value. Anakin is a kid who is obsessing over a girl in the news EVERY day. It's like Ashley Judd and the fact that she used to babysit me....I mean...

    *pause*

    Err..why is everyone looking at me oddly.
     
  6. MikeSolo

    MikeSolo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I thought it was creepy but its Anakin Skywalker aka Darth Vader. Anakin always came off creepy to me in all 3 movies TPM ATOC and RTOS. The fact he says he talks about how he's been thinking of Padme for 10 years, is not suprising to me. The kid was weird n creepy.

    Padme was just as messed up as him. These two are not your examle of a perfect couple....They both thought they knew what they were doing but really had no clue. Makes me wonder how Leia would of turned out if she wasn't raised by Bail Organa.
     
  7. DarthRavenus

    DarthRavenus Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Also lucas' inability to tell a love story doesnt help matters either...
     
  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    He was just being a goof. "I'm going to marry you."

    Padmé was simply his goddess on a pedestal. He wasn't obsessed over her, but the idea that she represents the pinnacle of feminity--the ultimate woman. That's the angelic idea he had gotten into his brain at nine, and that's what he kept thinking back to over those ten years.
     
  9. Lyrienne

    Lyrienne Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I always thought it was stupid, and I adore the character of Anakin. From the very beginning their relationship was wierd, twisted, possessive, and controlling and yet from Attack of the Clones on it's treated like a gloriously shining example of perfect love. Definitely a little disturbing.
     
  10. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    I always thought Anakin should have made his entrance into the films as a teenager or someone close to Luke's age in ANH. It would have been more effective to watch his life play out paralell to his son's, but ending up on the Dark side of course.
     
  11. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    I did not find Anakin's descent into the dark side credibly shown in the movie.

    The books are to blame. A wider consumer medium than comics, he wasn't bad natured enough in the months leading up to the movie. Thus it came as too sudden and for little reason he'd tergiversate on the Council.

    Likewise, you saw nothing about the Council disliking him, and thus it just happens in the movie.

    Sadow's mum aside, I will rescind everything if I see the mechanical boy presented the Sith phantoms on Korriban. This is pivotal; they need to meet the one who finally managed it where milleniums of effort failed.
     
  12. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    Anakin is a kid who is obsessing over a girl in the news EVERY day.

    A. Was he allowed to watch the news?

    B. She wasn't in the news everyday. Until she became senator she wouldn't have even been on the news at all. Since when did Coruscant news care about the rim?
     
  13. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't think any of the love stories in the Star Wars universe are normal - Movies or EU. They are ALL pretty creepy and obsessive when you get down to it. There is no normal love story in the Star Wars, not one. And I've read the books, comics, etc. Love is obviously different in the GFFA, if you don't insult each other and treat each other like crap, I guess you're not in love. Seriously, you can't really come up with a normal comparison for falling in love in Star Wars.
     
  14. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    A. I don't see why he wouldn't be. Jedi probably do try to keep abreast of current events :p

    B. How do you know this? She was a fairly famous figure even as of TPM-youngest queen ever elected, and then with the war between the Naboo and the Trade Federation, I don't see why she wouldn't have become a major celebrity figure. And HNN isn't limited to Coruscant; it's a galaxy-wide thing.

    And finally...how the heck is their relationship in TPM creepy? It's just a little boy's crush. His feelings for her in AOTC date back to that; he's just older now.
     
  15. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    I don't know if it's stupid, but it's certainly contrived.

    Though if Anakin saw us talking this way, he'd probably pout and cry and say, "It's not FAIR!" [face_laugh]

    E_S
     
  16. Tiershon_Fett

    Tiershon_Fett Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think their love story was interrupted by war. Padme is a war bride. War makes people seize the moment.

    As ROTS, she knows their relationship is on the skids. She is at a loss about how to fix it. Talking to Anakin is like pulling teeth. He can't give a direct answer to save his life. Of course it doesn't help that when DOES decide to pour his heart out, she poo poos the whole thing.

    The relationship only existed in the context that was there. Her talk of raising a baby was one sided. Anakin was happy about something he didn't nderstand. I don't think his kids were a reality in his mind ever.
    He wants power. To him power is love. Giving someone some is the most he can give.

    I never thought they were 'creepy' per se. She's a queen, he's a jedi. They aren't normal. They don't have ordinary lives.

    Anakin is akward, because he is a normal guy living with a bunch of repressed nuns, and that is confusing. As for keeping up with Padme, all he had to do was a search. I'm sure she had thousands of web pages dedicated to her.
    She's a royal, press loves that, beautiful, and controversial. She's outspoken, and has a good personailty, when not working. (If that halfwit, okay-looking, no-talent ho Paris Hilton gets the amount of attention she does, can you imagine what someone, in a galaxy would get, actually being an awesome teen girl??? Padme is like Lindsay Lohan to the 100 power. I imagine teen girls must have really idolized her for a long while.)
     
  17. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Are we talking the love a man feels for a woman, or the love of a man for a fine Carababba tabac cigarra? ;)

    E_S
     
  18. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    I don't think any of the love stories in the Star Wars universe are normal - Movies or EU. They are ALL pretty creepy and obsessive when you get down to it.

    Define "normal love story" please.

    A. I don't see why he wouldn't be. Jedi probably do try to keep abreast of current events

    That's a poor pun. And I've never seen any evidence in any of the Jude Watson books pointing to padawans watching the HNN.

    B. How do you know this? She was a fairly famous figure even as of TPM-youngest queen ever elected,

    "I wasn't the youngest queen ever elected."

    and then with the war between the Naboo and the Trade Federation, I don't see why she wouldn't have become a major celebrity figure. And HNN isn't limited to Coruscant; it's a galaxy-wide thing.

    She's from a backwater planet. It's not like Anakin had an obsession with Jessica Simpson and every time he turned on the TV she was right in front of him.

    And finally...how the heck is their relationship in TPM creepy? It's just a little boy's crush.

    How many 9 year olds do you know of that tell middle schoolers they will get married someday?

    His feelings for her in AOTC date back to that; he's just older now.

    And he acts like a stalker. You can see it in his eyes. He's a creep. I've seen that look many times before. It's the look of a guy who wants to have sex with a certain girl when he is looking at her.
     
  19. Kwenn

    Kwenn Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    "She's from a backwater planet. It's not like Anakin had an obsession with Jessica Simpson and every time he turned on the TV she was right in front of him."

    Naboo isn't quite backwater; it's in the Mid Rim, and not only is it in the news thanks to the Trade Fed invasion and its support of the refugee relief movement during the Separatist crisis, it's also the Supreme Chancellor's homeworld. And Padme is a Senator for two years prior to AotC, so her fame would certainly increase, being closer to Triple Zero.
     
  20. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    In a galaxy that big even something like the Naboo invasion will be old news very quickly. And there are thousands of senators. She got some screen time of course. But I doubt Anakin saw her on the HNN. Esp. considering "I haven't seen her in 10 years."
     
  21. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I take it you've never wanted to have sex with girls before. It's not a creep look. It's 10 years of repressed hormones.
     
  22. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    How many 9-year olds do I know that'd tell a girl they're going to marry her someday? Well, as I don't know very many Force-sensitive 9-year-olds, I really can't answer that question.

    What does Force sensitivity have to do with Anakin being a creepy kid.

    I take it you've never wanted to have sex with girls before.

    Not true. But I don't look at girls like that. I see other guys do it and it creeps the heck out of me.

    It's not a creep look. It's 10 years of repressed hormones.

    All guys have hormones. But there is a difference. I don't look at girls like that. Nor do my friends. But I see guys do it. I know them. They are jerks and creeps. That look. It isn't right.
     
  23. Rivercat0338

    Rivercat0338 Jedi Youngling

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    I think plenty of 9 year old boys get harmless crushes on older teenage girls, but they tend to grow out of it when they meet girls their own age. Of course Anakin's situation is hardly normal. I also think Anakin associates Padme with his home and his mom which isn't any less creepy but certainly intensifies his feelings.

    The AOTC novel has a whole lot more about their budding relationship than the movie and it comes off as Padme not really falling in love with Anakin so much as falling in lust with a hot guy who is obviously coming on to her. Padme's being queen apparently kept her from having any normal adolescent relationships with guys her own age, and as senator she deals with a lot of politicians who have ulterior motives, so falling for Anakin probably isn't too surprising. Plus, in the book her family is putting a lot of pressure on her at the same time to find a man and settle down.
     
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