Is Anakin in fact the chosen one?

Obviously, he probably is. But no one ever confirmed it in the OT or PT so far. And forget Lucas, he contradicts himself all the time. Do you guys think mid ship, we will find out that it was, possibly Luke, who was the chosen one all along? Or (doubtfully), he plans to make a 7,8,9, where the REAL chosen one shows up?

 

Your speculation/theories have more holes than a block of Swiss Cheese.

Anakin Skywalker IS the Chosen One. Lucas has said so. He will not contradict himself on this *MAJOR* plot point.

No, Lucas will never make EPVII to EPIX. You'll notice ROTJ incorporates these.

'the Chosen One the boy may be, never-the-less, grave danger I fear in his training.' - Master Yoda EPI.

 

Anakin is the Chosen One.

 

Yes.

 

It works. Anikan brought balance by turning to the darkside. There was too much friggin' good in TPM. By turning evil, he brought balance... and then went over board.

_jOBO

 

Yeah, but in the MOVIES, it is never confirmed. No one thinks it is possible that Lucas is trying to surprise us with something?

 

I think you might be up to something, Obi-Wan McCartny. Anakin _seems_ to be the chosen one: he's got this macho midi count, he's got a wierd conception, but we don't hear anything about midis in the OT!!! Perhaps somewhere along the lines, the Jedi figure out that midis aren't the key to force ability, but something else. And so, Ani's not the chosen one! He actually doesn't really bring balance to the force; Luke is left the only remaining trained force-user in the galaxy (we suppose), with only a little training. He's not necessarliy going to be good at training Leia and anyone else he runs into, so there might be more sith, and someone (the *real* Chosen One) comes along and saves everything.

Oh. that doesn't make much sense. See what you can do with it.

--Mr. P

 

Umm Obi-wan McCartney: I tried this once before in a thread. I got shot down by every council member with at least one star!

Still, I am not sure that Anakin is the chosen one. And for those who said GL has said Anakin is the chosen one, and would not contradict himself: GL can do whatever he wants. We can see that right now with the introduction to the OT "Final" addition. GL is stepping back and changing certain things "again" to concur with the PT. Whats to say he will not change his mind "again"?

 

The "alterations" that GL is supposedly making are minor and do not have any consequential affects on major plot elements that are steadfastly set into the template of the entire saga.

Example: The ropes that are draped over Boba Fetts shoulder were once described as wookie braids, now because of Fetts appearance in the PT this has been altered, they are now referred to as Padawan braids.

 

I belive that Anakin is the Chosen One, however, since we already know that the OT never mentions the Chosen One, I believe that it can only be confirmed on film if it is stated in the PT that the Chosen One will be the only one who can take out the Emperor.

Now assuming that the Chosen One is the one who takes out the Emperor, you still don't have clear proof as to who the Chosen One is. Anakin kills the Emperor, but he can only do it with the help of Luke.

This is a subject that I have discussed in other threads. I think that it is possible that Yoda and Obi-Wan will begin to think that Luke is the Chosen One come the end of the PT. However, (I can't remember the exact quote) but in early SW drafts, this was written:

"And in the time of greatest despair, a savior shall emerge, and he will be called the Son of the Suns." From the Journal of the Whills

What I do remember for sure it that it talks about the time of "greatest despair". IMO, you don't know when this single moment of greatest despair will occur, and therefore you can't really know who the Chosen One will be until that moment occurs and the Chosen One steps forward. I think this time of greatest despair is the end of ROTJ when the Emperor is frying Luke with his lightning. If Luke dies, Vader is mortally wounded, and the Emperor is left alive and well...then what??? But in this moment, Anakin, out of love for his son, turns on the darkside and destroys the Emperor and brings Balance to the Force. At that moment, he becomes the Chosen One.

 

I am 99% posative that the son of suns quote originally reffered to Luke. So maybe it still does.

 

The Son of Suns term doesn't refer to Luke because both of Luke's parents were human beings.
Anakin, like Jesus, Hercules, and, I think, Seigfried, has the suns/stars/sky/God for a parent.
In most western myth, the chief diety was either a Sun God or a Sky God, the former, as the chief life-giver and the later because of it's sheer and unfathomable enormity and it's 'above-ness' and 'surrounding-ness'. What is the sun anyway, but the single most important feature in the sky?
Anyway, as Jesus was the son of God, (perhaps via the Archangel Gabriel), thus, is Anakin the son of the Force (The unfathomable and surrounding God) via the midichlorians.
Anakin IS THE Son of Suns. Luke is merely the son of the Son of Suns.

with courtesy,

MH

 

No, I mean originally, before there was an Anakin Skywalker, when it was just Luke. In the original novelazation, I am pretty sure it was refferring to Luke himself.

That said, nowhere in the movie does it say that Anakin was defenitly the chosen one, or conceived by midichlorians. Qui-gon just said he THOUGHT he MIGHT have been. It's a good assumption, but it's not canon.

 

Anakin is the Chosen One. He has the highest midichlorian count of any Jedi. Both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan sensed him when they landed on Tatooine. He was conceived by the midichlorians. There's no reason to doubt Shmi when she told Qui-Gon he had no father. This ties in with the Son of the Suns theory. Whatever Lucas' intention with the quote from the Journal of the Whills, it seems obvious Anakin is now the subject of that passage. And it's not a contradiction for Lucas to do that, because it was never stated anywhere that it applied to Luke or anyone else other than Anakin.

At the end of TPM, Yoda himself says, "The Chosen One he may be, but grave danger I sense in his training." (Or something like that) So even Yoda acknowledges it.

As far as bringing Balance to the Force. Balance doesn't mean an equal number of good and bad. Balance in this case means peace, harmony; a state of equilibrium. Lucas says that a Council member in TPM realizes that the balance is beginning to slip. The reason it's just beginning to slip in TPM is because of the re-emergence of the Sith, which will lead to their dominace over the galaxy through the Empire. The dark side is an abberration of the Force. It's what causes the unbalance.

Anakin doesn't bring balance by wiping out the Jedi...by evening out the ranks of Jedi and Sith. His turn to the Dark Side was a mistake. An unfortunate sidetrack on the path to fulfilling his destiny.

He finally fulfills this destiny by wiping out the Sith completely. He kills the Emperor and then he himself dies. Master and apprentice gone. There are no more Sith to carry on the cycle. Balance is restored.

It's because of Luke that he is able to reclaim the good inside himself and fulfill that destiny, but it's still him that brings the balance.

 

Well, its kind of wierd to call Anakin the chosen one, when all the good guy arse kicking was done by Luke, and Vader did one thing at the end and hogged the glory!

Anyway, Yoda didn't say Anakin was for SURE the chosen one, but said merely that it was possible. Also, the scene where Shmi tells the story is kind of shady, and a lot of the Shmi scenes looked like "Obi-wan Luke talk" of ANH style foreshadowing.

 

Obi-Wan McCartney, you're absolutely right--it seems more likely that Luke is the Chosen One. At the very least, the jury is still out on the identity of The Chosen One. Let us remember, we have no idea what "bringing balance to the Force" means or what "The Chosen One" is suppose to do. Until that is clarified, we could speculate that Ben kenobi is The Chosen One ...

As for all you folks who quote Lucas, consider this: Georgie knows that we are going to examine his films and words under a microscope in order to anticipate any plot twists in the next two films. The only way he can be sure to preserve secrets at this point is to feed us incorrect information (to specifically lie to us). That way we will actually be surprised when the plot twists are revealed to us in the theatres.

 

I agree with Bud Frescoe. Anakin may very well be the Chosen one but somehow it seems strange that GL has revealed it this early.

Anyway, I still cling to the idea that The Chosen One refers to both Luke and Anakin. Anakin can't bring balance to the Force without Luke. Maybe Anakin gets the chance sometime during epII and III but fails. Thus the coming of Luke is made necessary.

 

OB1M,

Although your assumptions regarding Luke and his possible status as the Chosen One don't fit the internal logic of the SW cycle, your beliefs are harmless and so I invite you to go with your bad self.

Mr. Frescoe,

If we assume that Mr. Lucas is lying about things, then we must doubt EVERYTHING and thus, we can no longer reasonably speculate about ANYTHING, let's get Mr. Chitwood and Mr. Griffin to shut down the Forums. They are of no use to us.

Emillson,

Cling all you want, it's not the "Chosen Two" it's the "Chosen One".

with courtesy,

MH

 

And when has Lucas ever lied about a plot point of the stories? Sure, he tries to keep them a secret as much as possible, and Lucasfilm may release bogus info. through various source, but when has Lucas ever lied about something he stated directly himself? As Chyren says - "Post proof".

That argument about Lucas changing his mind doesn't hold water. He never stated that anyone other than Anakin was the Chosen One. So until he comes out and says, "Wait, now so-and-so is the Chosen One", Anakin it is.

 

Ecthelion, I don't think there's a need to close the boards down just yet. We should feel free to speculate and guess and argue based on the films and what George has said in the past, as long as we acknowledge that until the Saga is complete, NOTHING is set in stone. "Nothing" includes midichlorians, virgin birth, Chosen One, etc.

hew, planting incorrect information is a trick that will only fool the audience once, and also only works if the source of the information has been honest up to that point. Lucas wants to give fanboys another "I am your father" moment. The fanbase wants an "I am your father" moment. But the fanbase is sitting around SEARCHING for the "I am your father" moment. The only way Lucas is going to accomplish his goal is if he, the one person that fans trust with regards to insider information, deliberately misdirects his intended audience. Like Obi Wan, George has to lie to us for our own good.

 

Hey, I am arguing from the standpoint that nothing is set in stone unless shown in the films.

Now, virgin birth, chosen one, these things were alluded to, and it was heavily implied, but no one ever said for sure what Anakin was. All they really know is that there is much fear in him, and that he is potentially the most powerful Jedi ever.

 

Was Kenobi's lying good for Luke or not?...Whew...I'm not touching that one here.

MH

 

Until GL openly says otherwise, I think Anakin is the chosen one. Obviously we can't know for certain until we've seen all the films, but I'm sticking with GL on this one. Look, I write lots of short stories, and if someone tried to tell me I was wrong about one of the characters I just created, I'd think they're crazy. If anyone would know, it would be me. In in a GFFA, if anyone would know, it would be GL.

Anyway, I don't think we necessarily need a big surprise in the PT. After all, we already know what happens. And as people have pointed out in other threads, the PT and CT do not have to exactly parallel each other. There does not need to be an "I am your Father" moment.

Look at "Romeo & Juliet." It's one of the greatest tragedies in English Literature. Yet the opening chorus of the play gives away the entire plot: boy meets girl, their families hate each other, boy and girl die. As my Shakespeare professor likes to say, the tragedy comes from watching Romeo and Juliet fight against a destiny they cannot avert. I think a lot of the emotional power of E2 and E3 will come from watching the little boy of TPM become Darth Vade and knowing he's destined to fall before he is redeemed way off in ROTJ.

 

If you're looking for an "I am your father" moment in the PT, I think any fan would be disappointed. I think some fans put much more weight on this moment than GL does, of course that's just IMHO. I think the "I am your father" moment in the PT, if there even is one, would be when Anakin turns to the darkside and becomes Vader. Problem is, we already know that. But to someone who has never seen SW, I think this would be kind of a shocker when the "hero" turns into the bad guy.

Obi-Wan McCartney, I actually agree with you on many things. I agree with the notion that unless we see it in the films, it is subject to change or be contradicted, or whatever. The thing is, it was heavily alluded in TPM that Anakin is the Chosen One. Although, like I stated in an earlier post, I feel that you can't know who the Chosen One is until that individual steps forward at that one instant in time to bring balance to the Force. So, Qui, Obi, and Yoda all seem to think that Anakin is the Chosen One...but this may be part of the problem, and possibly part of the downfall of the Jedi. They are wrong to assume that Anakin is the Chosen One, because until he fulfills the prophecy, they are just assuming.

But, unless we are presented with much more information about how you become the Chosen One, I don't think we'll ever know for sure, as the OT makes no mention of this individual. What we might have on our hands is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Chosen One brings balance to the Force, but it is the same individual who really cause the imbalance in the first place. Now, assuming Anakin is the Chosen Once, this is exactly what happens. But does the prophecy state this, or is it just an unfortunate sidetrack??

 

I think that Luke is the chosen one, not Anakin. Because of everything that surrounds Anakin (high midichlorian count, fatherless birth, etc.) some Jedi assume that he is, in fact, the Chosen One. No one ever actually confirms that Anakin is the chosen one. On the contrary Yoda states that he is unsure: "The chosen one the boy MAY be..." He doesn't say, "The chosen one the boy is..." Everyone is unsure, except Qui-Gon who may be jumping to conclusions.

Anakin is the one who destroys the Sith at the end of RotJ, but would this happen without Luke? Absolutely not. Luke succeeds where his father fails. He resists the temptation of turning to the dark side and turns his father back to the light side which leads to the destruction of the Sith. Luke is the one who brings balance to the Force, not Anakin, and according to the prophecy that is what the chosen one is supposed to do.