Is Anakin in fact the chosen one?

I am 99 percent sure that Luke is the Son of Suns, at least originally in the first Star Wars movie. I also think that if anyone is the chosen one, it ends up being luke. Why? he really is the savior. He is. Anakin/Vader is the fallen Angel, but Luke brings redemption. If you want to split hairs on who pushed the last button, then the whole prophecy of the chosen one seems pretty lame.

 

Lucus has said repeatedly that Anakin, not anyone else, is the chosen one.

 

?If you want to split hairs on who pushed the last button, then the whole prophecy of the chosen one seems pretty lame.?

But this is exactly why I am splitting hairs. We can only speculate as to what the prophecy really means. Is it the one who ?pushes? the last button (Anakin) or is it the one who really lives his entire life striving to fulfill the prophecy (Luke)? I really could see it going either way, except for the fact (as others have said) that GL has stated that Anakin is the Chosen One. Although, we haven?t seen what Anakin will do in Ep2 and 3. It?s possible that he could be heroic enough that he indeed does seem like the Chosen One.

 

The prophecy of the Chosen One could be different from the Son of Suns. So maybe Anakin is the Chosen One, the Sun, if you will, and he fulfils his destiny by bringing balance to the force, Luke, the Son of Suns. Eh?

 

This is not a religion. This is just a story concocted by Lucas, a storyteller and filmmaker. If he wants Anakin to be the chosen one he can do it. It's his universe and he does not have to abide by the "rules" of other mythologies. Though he often does use old ideas and themes, he can certainly make his story and its morals any way he wants.

Lucas did make a somewhat dubious decision by making the *savior* or *chosen one* of his story to be someone with a background of tyranny and destruction. But this is not entirely Anakin's background. Anakin did help defeat the Trade Federation and save Naboo. He saved Amidala, somewhat indirectly, without which there never would have been a Luke to begin with! Obi-Wan said, "The *good man* who was your father was destroyed." Anakin was good and, as we shall see, he will continue to be a galactic hero. Rick McCallum has stated as much. At the height of his heroism he will make the decision to follow the dark side.

Yes, Lucas *has* changed his mind before on certain things, but this issue is not one that he would. If ever he would have, it would have been in the last twenty years when he has been developing the story in his head. The fact that the issue of the chosen one is introduced in TPM shows that it's something he definitely wanted in the saga. His statements in interviews confirms it. Even McCallum stated in an interview recently that Anakin is the chosen one. A plot point this huge, possibly the biggest of the saga, is not going to be shifted around like how Ani's age went from 12 to 9. It's reasonable that a plot issue from the OT would be changed, such as Obi-Wan and Owen's relation as written in the novel and an original script, but not something directly introduced into Episode I.

So, for some reason, perhaps one we cannot see yet, Lucas has a great idea for Anakin's Chosen One status. It is at least for the theme of redemption. A man is not totally lost. Luke said, "There is still good in him." For me, this story shows the great hope of forgiveness since, IMHO we are all in need of it.

 

That's a good point. Also, we really don't know what being the chosen one means. It may something completely different.

However, i still maintain, that until otherwise stated, I will assume the Luke is the Son of Suns. There has been no canon mention of Anakin being the son of suns, but in the ANH novel it is implied that Luke is. So maybe there will be more to this chosen one theory...

 

Again, I'll state my view on this. It really depends if you're looking at the real or the ideal. Idealistically, Anakin is the the Chosen One. He was concieved by the midichlorians blah..blah...blah, just as the prophecy says, but he turns to the dark side. Realistically, Luke then takes his father place and brings balance. Here's a question to ponder. Would Christians still consider Jesus to be a savior if he spent the majority of his life serving evil? I don't think so.

 

"Would Christians still consider Jesus to be a savior if he spent the majority of his life serving evil? I don't think so."

Aha! You keyed-in on exactly what I was getting at. That is why I said it's not a religion. It's just a movie!

I understand your point, that Luke is really the good guy. No one really disputes that. But who is the "Chosen One"? It's Anakin. The conflict between the Sith and Jedi, evil and good, arises again in Episode I and Anakin is the one chosen by the force to bring an end to the conflict.

 

Who said destroying the Sith was a way to bring balance to the Force ? Maybe it has nothing to do with the prophecy.

I also think Anakin is the Chosen One. But it's true that Lucas never said he indeed was, so here is just one more speculation :
(errr, thxDARTH ? I'm sorry we disagree again... :_-( )

- The Balance may have been brought after the Purges : there was a kind of balance indeed, 2 Sith and 2 Jedi in the whole galaxy. As many users of the Dark Side as there were users of the Light Side of the Force. That was not true before Vader/Anakin got rid of the Jedi.

- There's also a certain Balance *within* Anakin : he spent about half his life in the Dark Side and half his life in the Light.

- And if Luke does not end teaching what he has learnt, nobody will be using the Force anymore so nobody will destabilize it.

Now it's your turn guys, destroy this pityfull theory, it deserves it...

 

Well Twinnie you have a good argument and welcome to the room. Right now as far as the movie goes its not clear who the chosen one is. No one in the movie has said so. And as far as the balance goes, we do not know that either. Along with the "Chosen One", the balance of the Force was never discussed in the OT. GL has yet to explain a few things, but until then it is fun to speculate what could be. Thats what makes this topic so fun, there are so many oppinions with great theories its great to read.

 

Actually, that does bring up a point (which I?m sure someone has mentioned before). But I guess we don?t really know that the prophecy is a ?good? thing?.maybe the prophecy of brining Balance to the Force is actually a bad idea (of course Yoda and the others don?t realize this).

Maybe the idea of balance is to have equal numbers of light and dark side users (although I know this has been debated heavily and generally denied)?I don?t know that I agree with this myself, but hear me out. Before Darth Bane (I will mention him since he was in the TPM novel) there were supposedly many Sith. At the same time there were also presumably many Jedi. The Force was balanced. Then the Sith destroyed each other and Bane made the rule of two. Now with only two Sith and many Jedi, the Force is not in balance. The prophecy states that the Chosen One will bring balance. Anakin turns to the dark side and destroys the Jedi, creating another balance?

Or maybe brining balance does mean that no Force users should be left so that no one can disrupt the balance. In this case, we never have true balance since Luke is left alive at the end of ROTJ. But this is the whole idea that the prophecy might be bad?everyone learns (the hard way) that you really should hope that the Chosen One never emerges.

Ok, I?m babbling now! Again, I?m not saying I believe my own points, but it could be worth considering.

 

Mace, you answered your own question.

The biggest flaw in the "equal numbers Jedi and Sith" theory is that after ROTJ there is 1 Jedi and zero Sith. That is not an equal number. The light side is prominent.

I think it's supposed to be a simple idea. Evil is destroyed and the good side wins. This IS a fairy tale, remember?

 

Darth Mace, I can certainly appreciate your crusade to illuminate on every scintilla of possibility of who is the chosen one. What is commoving the Force equilibrium? What is the Chosen One's task? Your otiose surmises don't hold any water, not a single one. Sometimes when an answer is clearly out of sight, you must practice longanimity, as grasping at straws is so very monotonous and useless.

 

Primetime Jedi,

I understand that this isn't a religion and that it's just a movie. It is a movie about a fictional religion though.

 

Anakin is the chosen one, it's obvious from what we have seen in the films.

During his visit and staying at Skywalker Ranch, Jean-Pierre Lavoignat did an exclusive one to one interview with Lucas himself.

During his interview Lucas talks about the person who will bring balance to the force. Lucas says that this thought that Qui-Gon makes a mistake about Anakin being the person who will bring balance to the force and instead it's Luke who does that, IS wrong. He discusses that it is indeed Anakin Skywalker who brings the balance to the force. Anakin does this because of his son, Luke. It's because of his son that he finds the good in himself again and it is ANAKIN who kills the emperor and brings the balance, not Luke. At the end, Lucas adds that Anakin is the ONLY person who could do that, because he is the only one who had enough power and was close enough to the emperor to destroy him.

 

McCartney,

Although I think that Anakin is the "Son of Suns"...the very title "Sun of Suns" is, at best, quasi-canon. It's likely that we hear the phrase shouted by a male voice exhuberantly from within the mobs on Coruscant during the celebration scene BUT that's it. That, and the famous Journal of Whills prophecy blurb in the Ep4 novelization. Because there isn't nearly enough information to seriously debate who the 'Son of Suns' is and because the title is unimportant, I think that we should just let is slide. I think it's Anakin, you think it's Luke, neither of us can truly say one way or the other. Peace...

MH

 

Okay, here come my rantings:

Anakin is the Son of Suns. Anakin is the Chosen One. Was the Chosen One born specifically to bring Balance to the Force? or was he born to be "special".

rogueleader, I respect your responses, but please be realistic. You say Anakin didnt "fufill" his role as the Chosen One, so he gave it to his son? We have yet to see how powerful Anakin is in Episodes II and III. In these Episodes, we may see Anakin use the force to bake bread for all we know.

Yes, If you only watch the OT, It will seem like Luke is the Chosen One. But, It is stated fact that Anakin is the Chosen One. He did bring balance to the force, but not the way anyone had hoped. Luke knew nothing of being the Son of the Chosen One. He never knew his Father was the Son of Suns. He purchased a droid who insisted on playing a message addressed to Obi-Wan Kenobi. He meets Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan tells him the story of his father. Alas, Luke is "A New Hope" for the Rebels.

Yes, Vader may have been brainwashed by Sidious, but that does that mean he lost his "Chosen One" role? Hell No! He's still the Chosen One, whether he is a Sith or a Jedi.

Plain and Simple.

 

The "Chosen One" is conceivably a revised title/role of the "Son of the Suns."

 

Why does everyone assume that? I think that "son of suns" yell in ROTJ is wishful thinking. Also, how would they all remember or know about Anakin being the chosen one or that he is Vader?

The other thing, is that there is no connection made between the Chosen One and the Son of Suns. See, also, in the only canon source, The Episode IV novel, the Son of Suns deal clearly refers to Luke. That is all we have of now, so there is no reason to assume that the Chosen One and the Son of Suns are the same. The Son of Suns talks about coming in the time of most despair, and I would say that moment is when the Empire has full control of the Galaxy and the Death Star is threatening to destroy planet's at large. It doesn't say anything about bringing balance to the force.

 

It is even more conceivable "Son of the Suns" is an obsolete conception of Lucas (one that he has forsaken).

 

Yeahn maybe the Chosen One and the Son of the Suns are two different people... but both Anakin and Luke could be the Son of the Suns. Anakin did come back in time of despair (when his son was dying and the Alliance was suffering).

Got a private message :
SSJ2 Gohan, it's wonderfull to know you have such an expanded vocabulary, but please, remember that in this forum there are people who just STUDY English, and that we would enjoy being able to understand whatever is said. That's the point of a forum, isn't it ? to share knowledge and opinions...

 

Would I be more lucid if I wrote French?

Thank you, thxDARTH, that is a great contribution to the thesis topic. If you don't mind, could you elaborate on how Anakin is the "Son of the Suns" once more?

 

Hey SSJ22, why don't you try being Lucid in english first. I was wondering myself what you meant by "otoise surmises," and "longanimity?" Please speak plain english for the rest of us. This Forum is world wide so make it easy on everyone please.

 

I would like to apologize to SSJ2 for the above comment. It was done in jest, and if I offended you, I am sorry. I surely meant nothing by it.

 

PCTek,

I never claimed that Anakin "gives" Luke his role as "Chosen One." I think Luke taking his father's former destiny was by the will of the Force. The prophecy exists and the original plan to fufill it was ruined with Anakin's fall. With the birth of Luke and Leia there is a second chance to fufill the prophecy.