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Is it Possible Yoda had his own Lightning?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by ChestRockwell, Nov 22, 2006.

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  1. ChestRockwell

    ChestRockwell Jedi Youngling star 2

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    When him and Sids are going at it could Yoda have been pussing back sids lightning with his own? All we can really see is lighting going from ones hands to the others andd the power stream heading back at sids.
     
  2. WolverineOfTheORS

    WolverineOfTheORS Jedi Youngling star 3

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    This was a rather strange power which Yoda had. First things first, he had the ability to intercept force lightning by using his hand. It seems he also had the ability to reflect force lightning back at the consumer. Maybe he absorbed the force lightning and then reflected it back. We see Yoda in AOTC engaging Dooku's force lightning and then evaporating it through his fingers, so he could possibly have absorbed the power and then reflected it. But how could he reflect it? That's what gets me. Could he create a reflector shield of some sort by using the force? Hm...[face_thinking]

    Perhaps Yoda could generate his own 'type' of force lightning, but I wouldn't back this argument. If he could generate it, he should definitely have used it more often. But we all know that Yoda was the role-model Jedi, so he probably didn't think it was in his nature to produce a power which is commonly used by the Sith. To be honest, I don't know.
     
  3. OBIJUAN76

    OBIJUAN76 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I agree with your assertion that Yoda probably didn't use lightning because it was a tool used more by the Sith. I don't think that Yoda had his "own" Force Lightning by which to use. I believe that Yoda has the wisdom to "absord" and "reflect" Sith lightning. In AOTC with Dooku, he initially refected it back at him, causing the lightning to go up into the roof. Then when Dooku upped-the-anti with a second volt Yoda absorbed it. "Much to learn, you still have."
    While on the pod with Sidious, after loosing his saber, I think that Yoda was initially "absorbing" Palps' lightning. Then it appears that Yoda gets a second wind, and then appears to absorb, and "reflect" it back to Sidious, thereby causing him (Sidious) to throw his head back and yell out of pain. Hence, once again, I don't think that Yoda had Force Lightning to use. He simply had the knowledge to absorb and reflect.

    -Imagine Yoda turning the dark side, and using Sith Lightning! CRAZY!!!!!! :eek:
     
  4. SithStarSlayer

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    Food for thought...


    Force Lightning:
    It was a purely energy-based attack used most commonly by, but not restricted to, the Sith. Force energy took the form of lightning bolts which exit the Force-user's body through his fingertips or palms; Force lightning could be executed with either one or two hands. The greater the user's aptitude, the more power the lightning bolts possessed and the more they forked, allowing the possibility of striking multiple foes at once. This Force power was often used as a form of torture as it not only caused severe physical damage but also extreme agony to the victim's emotional and spiritual capacities. However, a single powerful blast may have been sufficient to kill a person instantly.

    The intensity varies based on a number of factors, but a skilled user can render a target unconscious with only a short burst. Depending on the level of intensity, Force lightning could apparently ground itself on an ignited lightsaber. Powerful lightsiders are sometimes able to resist Force lightning, even block it. Force lightning could also be absorbed and redirected by a Jedi of sufficient skill; Yoda demonstrated this ability by both reflecting and absorbing it during a fight with Count Dooku.

    Force Absorb:
    It negated the harmful characteristics of certain offensive Force powers, such as Force Push and Force Lightning. Force Absorb would channel the offensive Force powers into Force energy, refreshing the user's connection to the Force. This technique became a useful one to Jedi that specialized in using Force powers. As they felt their energies running low, they could simply absorb power from others to feed themselves. Force Absorb has also been described as a "non-harmful Force drain".

    Force Deflection:
    Was a Force power used by Jedi and Sith who were without a lightsaber, or chose not to carry one. It is unknown exactly if the Jedi and Sith merely created a wall using the Force to deflect blaster bolts and Force Powers, or if they actually deflected them back with their hand. It took much skill in the Force to use this, however, and most Jedi and Sith used their lightsabers instead to deflect blaster bolts.

    Jedi Master Yoda used it to block Force lightning when dueling Darth Tyranus and Darth Sidious. It is possible that Yoda combined Force Deflection with Force Absorb when protecting himself against Force lightning. He was unsuccessful because he wanted to gather the lightning into an orb to fire back at Sidious, but it overloaded and exploded in their faces, throwing the combatants apart.


     
  5. DarthLegion012

    DarthLegion012 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Force lightning is Force power that only Sith could use.Yoda had some sort of reflection wich is very strong power that only he had.You could have noticed that Sith cast lightning power from top of their fingers, wich Yoda did not.And you could also notice that Yoda when he reflected lightning created some sort of small blue power shield around his hand.
     
  6. darth-sinister

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    Mace and Luke attempted to stop the lighting without their weapons, but one had no hand and the other had no experience with this. Much less knowledge that it could be done. Yoda didn't generate the lighting, he just simply reflected it back using skills that few Jedi knew of.
     
  7. Rossa83

    Rossa83 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I also heard that somewhere. But the problem is that the movies doesn't show it. We don't see Mace using his hand. It would have made more sense if we saw Mace starting to deflect it, but gradually being overpowered. We see Yoda deflecting with one hand, effortlessly, against Dooku. I can't really remember if Luke showed any signs with his hands, but I don't think so...

    Yoda had unique powers, and since nobody else shows that it is unique for him - at least in the films...
     
  8. darth-sinister

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    Luke and Mace deflecting is mentioned in the screenplays. For Luke it was mentioned in the ROTJ novelization. I think it might've been for Mace, but I haven't read that book in a while.
     
  9. Taktwo

    Taktwo Jedi Youngling

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    Sith Lightning is not a Sith power, it is commonly used by the Sith though. An example is Kyle Katarn, who was on the light side, but made use of dark side powers, such as grip and lightning. I believe he uses deflection (The lightning being redirected in the picture.) and also absorbed it, using the force energy to create custom Force Orb, but because of Sidious massive power, it backfired.

    [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/3/3d/Yodasforcedeflection.jpg]

     
  10. SEPARATESICKLEROOK2

    SEPARATESICKLEROOK2 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    He could summon his own, if that were the Jedi way, but it is a corrupted power, not seeming in the Jedi.
     
  11. DarthDiabolous

    DarthDiabolous Jedi Youngling star 2

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    i just think he was so advanced at force push that he was able to control it into just pushing back and containing the lightning(pretty much the same concept as absorb and deflect i guess)... but then again im not GL so youd have to ask him
     
  12. On_Your_Six

    On_Your_Six Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Remember that the Force at the core is an energy field that connects all living beings and the universe, not only can it be used to manipulate the physical plane, but presumably the mental or even psychic plane as well (as we see with Palpatine affecting Anakin's dreams of Padme dying, notice the clouding of the darkside as the vortex closes on the vision). From that it can be inferred that force lightning is the energy field being focused through the chaotic passion of hatred. Sure Yoda could use it, were he to turn to the Dark Sidee, but no way could any Jedi use it without first giving into hate... Knowing that, you can understand how Yoda can disrupt the focused field of lightning to either deflect it, or reverse the focus and return it to its natural field harmonic... Force lightning is still the force, and presumably any knowledgable/adept Jedi would know how to unfocus it...
     
  13. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Force Ghost star 5

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    Mace Windu tried to absorb Palpatine's lightning with his hand, and I'd be willing to bet that he knows how to do it. He did just have his arm chopped off and was probably taken by surprise by who did the chopping;)


    I didn't know Luke actually tried, I figured if he did anything it was just putting his hands up in the novel in a basic defensive response. He barely knew the Emperor was a Force user, I'm not sure he had any idea of what to expect.


    Plo Koon is a Jedi Master who utilized a form of Force Lightning, although he called it Electric Judgment.
     
  14. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Jedi Knight star 5

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    Is it Possible Yoda had his own Lightning?

    I think Yoda is old and wise enough to generate his own Force Lightning, no problem. But since it was commonly used by the Dark side, he consiously refrains from doing so and discourages others also.
     
  15. DarthLegion012

    DarthLegion012 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    To use such Force power one must be strong in the Dark Side of the Force and if any Jedi had nothing Dark that is Yoda.I agree that he was very strong in the Force, but in the Light Side of the Force.
     
  16. Veloz

    Veloz Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I dont believe Yoda had his own lightning, but rather that he had knowledge on how to deflect it, absorbe it or simply deal with it in ways other "younger" jedi didnt. I think that maybe it was knowledge that was simply forgotten, considering the Sith had been considered extinct i doubt it was a teaching that they considered practical as time passed on and the Sith didnt return, and it was simply in the archives for reference or something like that :p

    [face_peace]
     
  17. ChestRockwell

    ChestRockwell Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I dont think Luke had any idea about lightning or deflecting it, was just a natural reaction to put hands up that any human would do if something was comming at them. Mace on the other hand (no pun intended) AS gave out as he was actually took the lighning with no defense for a bit. I would bet he had deflection powers as well, probobly based on brute strength more than technique,,,,,,,,,,,Yoda was a master of technique. Someone a few posts back said something about Plo's electric something or other? Can you explain?
     
  18. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, but Kyle's a backer of the Potentium where as Yoda believes in the more traditional Light/Dark duality.

    While clearly Luke didn't block it, the novelization of Jedi has him blocking it for a few seconds, so it could be that it's canonized that Luke tried, but failed to block the lightning as a sort of merging of the sources.
     
  19. jedi_prime

    jedi_prime Jedi Youngling star 2

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    If I remember correctly, in the RotJ novelization, Luke's reasoning was that if the lightning was conjured from the Force, then it could be deflected by the Force. Pretty clever for thinking on one's feet in a split second while a Sith Lord is blasting you with a power that you had no idea existed two seconds before...
     
  20. Alpha-02

    Alpha-02 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The answer to Yoda being able to reflect the lightening, may be that he knew how to use it himself. Surely if you know the theory and skills behind creating it, it would thus be much easier for you to create a method of blocking/deflecting/reflecting it.

    He doesn't exactly say that he has this knowledge I don't think, but he has a very interesting conversation with Dooku about the dark side and such in Dark Rendevous.
     
  21. Frosted_Lemon_Jedi

    Frosted_Lemon_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    In the EU, Luke uses something called Electric Judgement, which is just Light-Side Force Lightning. But, at this point, Luke is basically omnipotent and invincible, and his Lightning kills instantly.

    I think far too many people think of Force Powers very linearly. Its not that one had to learn "Force Lightning." Creating pure electricity was just a way that the tool of the Force could be used.

    So, yes, a Jedi COULD use it, he just chose not to. It is not a particularly technique that need be learned.
     
  22. DarthLegion012

    DarthLegion012 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    That I didn't knew, but Luke was always strange character to me.Remember that he used Force choke on that Gamorean guard in RotJ.For me that is also Dark Side Force power.
     
  23. Violent Violet Menace

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    Man, choke is just telekinesis. I don't understand why people think of Force choking as a separate power and skill from other ways of using the Force to manipulate objects. Jedi grab and hold on to stuff with the Force all the time. They grab their lightsabers from afar and pull them toward their hands, they grab rocks and keep them in the air, and they grab ships and pull them out of swamps. Why should grabbing a neck be any different from those things? So when Luke is holding the rocks in the air in TESB he's Force choking the rocks?
     
  24. darth-sinister

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    Where do you get Palpatine manipulated the dreams? Isn't it possible that's how visions look all the time.

    Two things.

    1. Plo Koon uses "Electric Judgment". Luke used the Lightning period.

    2. That's only because certain authors were so enamored with the idea of Lightning, that they had Jedi do it. And video games use it to make it interesting. Note that Luke frowned on using it against the Vong and later against the Dark Nest.

    Bottom line, Jedi don't use it in films and for the most part in the eu, they avoid it. Those who do wind up going to the dark side if they don't stop.
     
  25. ChestRockwell

    ChestRockwell Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I always wanted to see someone attempt to take down a speeder or a fighter with lightning to see if they could do it. Any idea if it would work?
     
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