Is Luke more powerful than Yoda himself?

I have to say, yes.

In the EU (after the events of ROTJ), Luke has done feats that even Yoda has not done. Luke has done force speed, he owned Papatine's clone, etc.

Luke is not invincible. No one is. However, I have to say that Luke is FAR more powerful than Yoda ever was. Luke is the son of Anakin, afterall, so of course, he should be more powerful than Yoda.

 

Yes.

 

Potentially, yes.

In practice, no.

 

through no fault of his own though. blame the authors.

 

True..

He's pulled off a few tricks from time to time that maybe even Yoda and Palps would have struggled to do or wouldn't have been able to do.

 

Yes. Yoda had 800 years & was to controlled or conservative & under his watch the order fell. A 10,000 strong order~! But Had these stories post ROTJ been about Yoda than writers woulda had Yoda doing force phantoms/projections etc.

 

Luke Skywalker levitated a super blackhole?

 

Really, how the heck do we know.

Yoda was almost a 1000 years old when he died. You really can't comprehend that. He died defeated and sad and definitely extremely OLD. Do you know anything about his heydey as a Jedi knight? No. As a master? No. By the time we meet Yoda, he's already so old and seems so tired, even in the PT. He's really unknown.

Yoda needs his own novel.

And still Yoda was kind. He could easily have wiped the floor with anyone, but his compassion and being so into the light side prevented him from doing that. Yoda felt the deaths of thousands of Jedi and you don't recover from that in five minutes. I think it was too soon to confront Palps after that shock.

Just by the default of being only 60, Luke hasn't experienced anything next to Yoda. Luke can barely keep it together with just losing Mara. Yoda lost thousands of his own hand raised children.


After more than a decade of nigh constant contact, the entire Jedi Order was still pretty cluless about Palpatine. Luke Skywalker had him pegged in under three minutes.


What does this mean? Palpatine was frying Luke like a roasting chicken. Daddy, help me! It hit him like a truck. That's not too bad ass. Yoda absorbed force lightening into his bare hands. He didn't even break a sweat and didn't ask for help. I think he and Palpatine were equally footed.
As for the Jedi, they KNEW what Palpatine was. Did you miss ROTS? They spent the whole time trying to get something on him. Too bad they went by the book, but they had to. They were framed by extremely powerful people, not just Palptine. "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi." But they were still bound by the rules. Palpatine wasn't. He made the rules. How does anyone blame them for just doing their jobs and living their lives. The Jedi didn't rule anything.

And I don't take clones seriously. Clones are meant to be tools, they aren't really people. They are products.

 

I would say yes.

 

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What does this mean? Palpatine was frying Luke like a roasting chicken. Daddy, help me! It hit him like a truck. That's not too bad ass. Yoda absorbed force lightening into his bare hands. He didn't even break a sweat and didn't ask for help. I think he and Palpatine were equally footed.


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You have to remember that at the point Palpatine is frying Luke with lightning, Luke is still, by the standards of the PT Jedi, at best a newly knighted Jedi, more likely, a very powerful Padawan. Plus, until Palps used the lightning Luke probably had no idea the Force could be manifested that way. I am taking nothing away from Yoda, as I do think power wise he is equal with Palpatine. But I truly believe that LOTF Luke, when not being dragged down by authors, would easily handle Sith lightning. I also believe that at this point Luke would also wipe the floor with Sidious. Luke's force knowledge, which is pretty high at this point, plus his chosen-one like force powers, make him much more powerful IMO, than any Force user in history. Of course Super Luke would be boring so authors need to handicap him.

 

I would enjoy a super Luke and I think it could be easily done if he was more like an unseen presence, or an advisory type. Invincible actually handled that well! Luke sees that the new generation must fight their own battles.

Luke should serve as the ultimate form of a Deus Ex Machina for the Star Wars universe. Swooping in to save the day ONLY when the problem becomes too big for the current Jedi to handle.

 

Still, we know next to nothing about Yoda. We really don't know what he's done in his life. We have someone that for us is the equivalent of 85 when we meet him and dies 20 years later. Feeble and old the whole time.
What did he do in his prime? We don't know. It's hard to compare someone who's only 60, to someone who's 900. If anything Yoda was much more wise than Luke is. Yoda would have handled everything Luke's done completely different and probably better.

So strength is great, but can it outdo vast wisdom with nearly equal strength?

Great pity Luke and Yoda never got a chance to work together. That would have been some awesomeness.

Also, if Yoda were a bit younger, I think he would have beaten Sidious. Mace and Yoda should have taken him together.

 

I liked the novelizations reason why Yoda lost that duel a lot more than the films depiction of it. Based on the books explanation of the duel I doubt Yoda would have ever beaten Palpatine and most likely Palps could have killed Windu by himself if he were not milking it for the benefit of Anakin.

 

Same here.

 

I would have to say no because remeber yoda trained luke and luke could never grow as powerful of yoda bc yoda was a little over 900 yrs old before he died thats lots of yrs of experinece

 

experience and power are two different things, but they intertwine alot.

Yoda is more experienced(obviously)

Luke is more powerful

 

except experience =/= power.

but on the other hand, neither does potential.

which leads us right back to what I said above.

Truth is, it's not something we really need to know...at least until some VG Fighter game gives us a "power gauge" to compare Luke and Yoda and Vader...and then we'll all complain about the "weaknesses" built in to give the game balance.

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Whether Luke is more or less powerful doesn't really matter.

What might be a more interesting question is:

Does Luke think he's more powerful then Yoda was?

I'd wager a big "no" on that...I still think, if he could, Luke would dump the Jedi leadership in a heart beat to someone like Yoda or even K'Kruhk.

No wonder he hasn't shown up in the novels...they know when he does, Luke bails!

 

I never understood why anyone considered Yoda as being tired after levitating the x-wing.
To me it seemed more like a disappointed sigh that Luke didn't believe his lesson.

I mean, really, why would Lucas show Yoda as being tired, when the whole sequence was supposed to show how powerful the force is and that "size matters not". Him being tired wouldn't make any sense at all.


Yoda wasn't only powerful, he also had the mind and wisdom you need. Luke has a larger potential, maybe he even maxed it out by the time of LotF, but I don't know if he has the mind to be a true being of the light, like Yoda was. I guess it's definately possible, but I wouldn't take it for granted.

 

well there is tired and then their is "fatigued".

Yoda may have not utilized the force in such a manner for many MANY years...and though size matters not...using the force does take varying tolls on you...tie that to his age...his seemly less "active" self...I could see him needing a moments pause.

It's not like he says "that is why you fail...now I need to go lay down."

Yoda's expressions and whether he was tired or not has more to do with Yoda then does with the object he's moving.

 

Same here, though I'm pretty sure it's been referred to as him being tired in the text of several works, so we're kind of stuck with it.

 

should be irrelevant. A jedi Masters age doesn't hinder his ability to use the force. A lighsaber duel i can understand but force mastery isn't based on youthful strength...
-So with that in mind, why would a younger Yoda be a nexus or all that & then some compaired to the master he was in ROTS or Degobah? IMO Yoda is a underused character. The prequels we're a huge disaponintment froma Yoda perspective..

-Who are Luke's TEO best students- Kyp & Corran
Yoda's two best students- Mace & ObiWan(?)
--Curious to how they match up. Kyp to me seems more powerful than Mace or Obi Wan nased on force usage. And Corran, well we know he is complexed but still uber.
----Point being--luke's era seems to be somewhat more powerful than prequeal aera. Perhaps?

 

did you see AOTC?

I've never heard such a shout from a theater crowd as when Yoda went Ninja on Dooku!

And I'd dare venture that surprise and it's reception were why we saw Yoda duel with Sidious in ROTS.

underused? Maybe overall, but the Prequels used him considerably more then I think most people expected.

 

In the prequels, Yoda got into just as many battles against a Sith Lord as Anakin did. Obi-wan is the only guy who really gets more fights against Sith and that's because he was in 4 movies.