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Is tatooine really that far away from the "center"

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by WhiskeyGold, Oct 20, 2006.

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  1. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    From the Star Wars movies it seems the people feel tatooine is a remote planet far from anything or far from the core systems. But is it really? We know in TPM that is must be close to Naboo. They escape but never go to hyperspace(do they?) and During the battle they find them self close to tatooine. I believe Naboo wasn't a remote planet. But same how the Laws of the work on Naboo but not tatooine (that is way the Hutt's can run the place). By maybe Naboo is a far off system and the system that holds tatooine is close to it. It doesn't seem it takes Darth Maul long to get to tatooine once The Emperor sends him out to find the Queen. Then agian I guess in travel time nothing takes long in Star Wars world.
    At the end of Jedi they do get the news about the Emperor fast but I am sure news can move over space lines fast, using something like a Space Internet.
    Maybe Naboo and it's systen was blown up by the Death Star before ANH and with the system gone it makes the tatooine area seem far away from the "center" of things. With Naboo gone maybe there is now a big grap between system. Thus making the tatooine area more remote than in the past.
     
  2. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The center or close to it in the films, is Coruscant. Tatooine is located in the Outer Rim. It goes in ascending order. Deep Core, Core Worlds, Inner Rim, Mid Rim and Outer Rim. Naboo is boarderline to the Outer Rim, but Tatooine is located in Hutt space and is one of those worlds that are under the control of the Hutts.

    In the Star Wars films, Hyperspace travel is pretty quick. It is only in the 90's eu that it takes a few days to travel all over. And no, Naboo was not destroyed for if you saw the ROTJ DVD from 2004, you'd know that Naboo was added to the montage of worlds celebrating the victory at Endor.
     
  3. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    the thing about Tatooine is that it doesn't matter where it is. Luke's comment about it wasn't really about distance from the core (he said bright centre to the universe not galaxy by the way).

    If Tatooine had been where Courscant is, Luke would have said the same thing. It was more about Luke's feeling about the fact that the universe seems to be moving onwards without him. His friends are leaving, there's a rebellion against the Empire...and he's stuck on a desolate world, watching time go by as he works on the vaporators.

    The whole hyperdrive issue is a bit confusing...Tatooine is near Naboo, but surely you would need to travel through Hyperspace to get there within a hundred years, never mind a few hours. It's the same with Bespin, which must be near Hoth, and once again, the ship in question doesn't have a working Hyperdrive.

    The simple fact is that they're movies and in movies you get away with things like tha...after all, who wants to see the Millennium Falcon travelling across space for 50 years to reach Bespin?
     
  4. Jamiebacca

    Jamiebacca Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I've got a spaceship. Let's go and see for ourselves.
     
  5. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red 18X Hangman Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Yeah, well this was a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, so there's no telling if Tatooine's still where it was when Star Wars happened.
     
  6. Darth_Davi

    Darth_Davi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    exactly. It wasn't a comment about physical distance at all, but about his feeling of isolation. If Coruscant can be compared to New York City or Los Angeles, Tattooine is like rural West Virginia. Its about as far away from everything "cool" as you can get, in terms of culture and excitement. Luke dreams of going to where the action is, because its not on Tattooine.
     
  7. the_immolated_one

    the_immolated_one Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I hear what you're saying about it just being a movie and we need to just go with it, but hyperdrive systems open up worm holes because traveling at the speed of light is impossible per Einstein. So anyway the Queen's ship and the Falcon's hyperdrive were just screwed up and they couldn't open up worm holes, but they still had engines that propelled the ships at great speeds. Let us say the Queen's ship and the Falcon could go close to the speed of the light. See that would still be very fast but the pilot wouldn't want to break the speed of light because the ship would start to stretch, but going just under the speed of light is still extremely fast and they could get to a planet in a nearby system in about a day or so.
     
  8. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Naboo's pretty far out. It's not a core world.
     
  9. Guy-from-Tatooine

    Guy-from-Tatooine Jedi Youngling

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    I thought they did, but had to drop out early due to the malfunction. ??? Guess, I I have to review that passage...

    True, just keep in mind, how fast Palpy arrives on Utapau to save Anakin / Vader!

    It's bold to argue with Einstein, but if he really said that, he's wrong. Flying at Lightspeed is not possible under normal circumstances, because it would raise the spaceships mass - and with it the required thrust power - to infinite. So what do you need for actually flying at Lightspeed? A mass-compensator that keeps the spaceships mass low. Reduce it to zero and you might actually be able to break the lightbarrier. Easy! I should have a patent on that one... ;)
     
  10. ShrunkenJedi

    ShrunkenJedi Jedi Knight star 5

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    Yeah, well, they may be clever in the GFFA, but no one said they had every technology even slightly possible. There's no evidence that they have the technology for such a mass compensator- it's not the same as hyperspace. We sure don't have mass-compensation technology. :p
     
  11. Guy-from-Tatooine

    Guy-from-Tatooine Jedi Youngling

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    GFFA? Please enlighten me.
    I am actually quite sure, they have the technology. I've never seen a spaceship in the film, that would not have normal gravity within. The ability to change gravity artifically is exactly the required technology for building a mass-compensator, isn't it? :p

    You'd better wait till I've been to the patent office! :D
     
  12. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Galaxy Far Far Away.
     
  13. Guy-from-Tatooine

    Guy-from-Tatooine Jedi Youngling

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    Silly me!!! :)
    Thanks!
    Btw. Wormholes are Star Trek. I don't think, they use them in the GFFA - because if so, Han Solo would not need to take care not to fly too close to a super nove, as he does in IV. So - altough flying Hyperspace - they do not seem to leave real space. Sorry for beeing a smart a.. ! ;)
     
  14. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think that Hyperspace is actually just the equivalent of nitrous in a car engine. :p
     
  15. RamRed

    RamRed Jedi Master star 4

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    I've seen the map. Yes, Tatooine is that far from the galaxy's "center". So, is Naboo. However, Naboo is not as far as Tatooine -
     
  16. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My GFFA theory (in other words, makes no sense in real life but would for the movies) is that lightspeed and hyperspace are two different things.

    The Millennium Falcon can make point 5 past lightspeed...which would equate to 450,000km per second if point 5 = a half.

    But even going that fast, it's still gonna take a long time to travel across the galaxy or even to the next solar system. So what if a ship can only enter Hyperspace by travelling at the speed of light or above it? Hyperdrive might be broken on the Falcon or The Queen's ship but the lightspeed drive mught still work, enabling them to get to a nearby system in a few days.

    Now travelling at lightspeed wouldnt be practical for travelling across the galaxy to Coruscant from Naboo, even at that speed it would take too long, so they jump to lightspeed, travel to Tatooine to get the Hyperdrive fixed so they can open up a wormhole into hyperspace to get them to Coruscant faster than just normal lightspeed.
     
  17. Darth-Stryphe

    Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    According to EU, Sinister is right. Tatooine's out there, but not at the very edge like Luke implied (Luke was, of course, being sarcastic). Endor is actually further out.

    The movies never say, only that it is close to Naboo.
     
  18. the_immolated_one

    the_immolated_one Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I swear to God whenever I come to theforce.net, I feel like about 50% of its members don't understand simple English sentences. I said Einstein did say that traveling at lightspeed is impossible. And you (Guy-from-Tatooine) came along and said Einstein is wrong and then repeated, "Flying at lightspeed is not possible," and the the only difference in what you said and what I said is you (Guy-from-Tatooine) capalized the word lightspeed.

    See the word impossible is how an English speaking person can say, "not possible." I don't know if Einstein ever said anything about spaceships but Einstein's general theory of relativity (E=mc2) automatically makes it impossible (not possible) for a ship to travel past lightspeed because the ship would start to grow: I just used the word stretch earlier.



    "Standby Chewie. Here we go cut in the sublight engines."

    In Star Wars there are two types of starships that are in the movies: 1.) The kind that have sublight engines and hyperdrive engines. 2.) The kind that have only sublight engines.



    Travel between star systems would be impossible were it not for the development of the revolutionary hyperdrive propulsion system. The term hyperdrive refers to the engine and interrelated systems that propel a starship through the alternate dimension of hyperspace. In hyperspace, there is no limit to how fast a starship can travel, and thus interstellar distances can be traversed in mere minutes.
    Before entering hyperspace, a pilot must supply exact coordinates derived by the ship's navicomputer. Without precise calculations, a ship may collide with a body in hyperspace with catastrophic results.


    Now it says in the above paragraph taken from starwars.com that hyperdrives open up alternate dimensions, so is that saying Star Wars hyperdrives open up worms holes? Maybe. Don't know and I don't really care, all I was saying is that maybe sublight engines can travel just under the speed of light which wouldn't mean much in the real world because even at the speed of light, a ship would take over a decade to reach the nearest star, but in a fantasy world like Star Wars we could pretend that Bespin wasn't too far away from Hoth and Tatooine wasn't too far away from Naboo.

    What amazes me about your whole reply is you didn't know that when it comes to light, Albert Einstein is the expert. As defined by his theory of relativity, electromagnetic waves and neutrinos are the only objects that can travel at 186,000 miles per second. Nothing can go faster. The theory states that objects with no mass are the only things that can travel at the speed of light.
     
  19. RamRed

    RamRed Jedi Master star 4

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    Why not simply check a map of the SW galaxy?
     
  20. Guy-from-Tatooine

    Guy-from-Tatooine Jedi Youngling

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    Sorry, I am no nativ english speaker. Nevertheless, I THINK, the difference in my sentence to your's - apart from capitalizing Lightspeed - were the words 'under normal circumstances' plus some reasons, why this is the case. I really can't remember seeing any of these in your sentence. And my sentence was followed by another sentence directly adressing unnormal circumstances. I thought that to be a valid chain of arguments as it is in my native language - even in english. Please enlighten me in case I should be wrong here... ;)
     
  21. Guy-from-Tatooine

    Guy-from-Tatooine Jedi Youngling

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    P.S: What really amazes me about your reply is, that you don't seem to get the difference between light hearted fun chit chat of playfully proving Einstein wrong from a Star Wars point of view and a astro physics graduation work. I guess I put in those ;) for some reason.
    As stated many times on these boards already, it's a story. Who really care's??? I don't.
    So, this Einstein guy has a theorie? I guess no one has ever PROVED that theorie as corrct? So he may be completely wrong - and I am right! ;) Look at the smiley!
     
  22. Jamiebacca

    Jamiebacca Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think Hyperspace is a rip-off.
     
  23. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Hyperspace is a parallel dimension that runs alongside normal space. Since it isn't normal space, one can go many times faster than the speed of light and not be in violation of relativity.
     
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