Is the Confederacy of Independent Systems Evil?

?We will let the Jedi Generals know that we will fight to be free! We will fight to defend our planet! We will send the Jedi home in caskets! ?
- Commander Alto Stratus

1. Spurred by Count Dooku, the various corporations and planets finally had the organization and motivation to withdraw from the Senate and Republic in a large group, organizing themselves into a loose Confederacy which allowed laissez-faire capitalism and no government involvement in planetary affairs. The people must be mad as the Government?s involvement in capitalism, like taxes and the Government bothering planets and interfering with them in sanctions, etc. This has happened for decades, as numerous planets, species, and groups had been trying to reduce the power of the Galactic Senate, lower or eliminate taxes, or withdraw from the Republic for those reasons, and others.

The Confederacy consists of companies that are opposed to the Old Republic's taxation (Naboo was invaded because of the Republic's taxation, and the Old Republic Military must be in bad condition, as a shipping company can build warships that can engage the Government's Navy.

Of course, the head of the Trade Federation is Neimodian (Neimodians are known for being ?greedy **** so maybe he wouldn't have lost the large amount of money. the Trade Federation's military reflects that too, the cheap and numerous Battledroids (trillions?), the Droid Battleships which are simply converted freighters (cheaper than building a true warship fleet, but the many hangars can make sabotage easy, AAT tanks that aren't heavily armored, small amounts of Heavily-shielded Droidekas compared to the rest of the Army.

The Separatist high council (well, mainlt just Dooku) might have been controlled by the Sith. When they surrendered and turned off the droid armies, they might have left a lot of staunch lower supporters out to hang since most of the Confederacy used droids as their main troops. However, the Empire in the early days might have forgiven them for seceding, to show unity and re-build the Galaxy. Maybe they hid in some of the Outer Rim worlds, and joined the Rebel Alliance of other Resistance movements when they formed. It is possible that many former Confederates, and many Outer Rim worlds that supported the Confederacy joined the Rebel Alliance. Another thing is the fact that they were probably running the war solely for benefits from Sidious when the conflict ended.

There were also the worlds that were "abandoned" by the Republic (like Jabiim which paid its taxes which often were high and unfair, but wasn't helped during attacks from Trandoshan bands and pirates) That is why Alto Stratus (not the cloud J) had Jabiim leave the Republic, and secede, and many other worlds did it for those reasons.

Although the Republic provided some measure of unity, and promoted a norm of negotiation, it lacked a military force capable of maintaining order, and that allowed many worlds to simply leave, but the Charter probably allows secession. Security was the province of individual sectors, or powerful groups like the Trade Federation. The Republic Navy only defended the Core Worlds pre-Clone Wars. Thus, there was a kind of latent anarchy beneath the civilized surface. The planets that would later constitute the Confederacy of Independent Systems brought this into plain sight by departing from the Republic for those reasons.

There were reasons for both weak and strong planets (militarily and economically) to follow this course of action. Strong planets obviously would fare well under a more decentralized regime, because they could exercise their power openly and without Republic sanctions, and taxes. But while the Republic's influence may have been enough to bother the powerful groups, it was not enough to convince the weaker planets that it could truly protect them, as the Naboo crisis showed. It is likely that smaller-scale alliances would provide better protection than a commitment to a galactic government, as it isn?t as large and things get done easier, as well as voluntary

 

From my point of view, the Republic is evil!

 

The only evil one here is Sidious/Palpatine. All these other guys were doing what they believed was right, and ol' Sids twisted that all around.

 

especially then Its' Leader started the war.

It's likely that the Republic BDZed planets also (it's a civil war, and the 3 main shipt the Republic uses can BDZ planets)

 

I don't get it, even assuming that BDZ was canon or even made sense given the relative sizes of a star destroyer and a planet respectivly,
certianly neither the Venators nor the Acclimators had the firepower to actually level an entire planet, they were basically flying landing strips, I'd be surprised if they could even level a city block

 

The Republic prior to the Clone Wars had warships?


I didn't see any.



As for the confederacy? No I don't think they were evil as a whole, just like the Empire itself. There are villains on both sides.


I was thinking about whether any former Confederacy systems joined the rebellion a while ago, very interesting.

 

THe ROTS novelization describes Grievous "ordering entire planets to be burned" and the ROTS cross-sections describes the Invisible Hand's (and the rest of the CIS fleet) BDZing of the City-planet Humbarine. The turbolasers can disintegrate fighter craft and keep on going. a HTL might be able to easily take down a city block in one shot, likely more with all the energy. The Rogue Squadron 3 game concept art has the turbolaser beams be pretty huge for bombardment and have a wide area of effect (shown by a white glow where the beam hits the planet)

It takes one hour to BDZ an unshielded planet, and the Empire likely used at least 3 ISDs per planet.

[quote[certianly neither the Venators nor the Acclimators had the firepower to actually level an entire planet, they were basically flying landing strips, I'd be surprised if they could even level a city block [/quote]

Venerators and Victories have the same reactor power; Victories can BDZ planets

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A Victory-Class Star Destroyer BDZing a planet

Here. It mainly defended the Core Worlds (explaining why those worlds didn't leave; They were protected

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right. They likely at least helped incite many of the independent unorganized uprisings against the Newly-formed Galactic Empire, and many kept on fighting, lasting for years until the Empire invaded them.

Jabiim was a CIS world and rebelled against the Galactic Empire

The Quarren sided with the CIS and later joined the Rebel Alliance with their Mon Calamari brethren.

Sullust supported the Rebal Alliance before Endor; It with the rest of Sluis sector joined the Confederacy

 

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Ok, but that was a comic book, as I recall there are comic books where Boba Fett still goes by the name Jaster Mareel

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and that obviously wasn't before the clone wars, I mean, you can see a Regular SD in the foreground

 

probably a disguise to get bounty.. or something like that. Or was that infinities?

right. This was 8 months after the Battle of Naboo

The ship by the bottom is a Star Dreadnought, not a Star Destroyer. At least 4200 meters, as those frigates are nearly the same size of Acclamator-class military transports.

 

I'm still confused

 

Ok, but that was a comic book, as I recall there are comic books where Boba Fett still goes by the name Jaster Mareel

That's already been retconned.

 

had to look that one up <---->

 

Anyways, I'd say that the Confederacy as an organization was not evil, however it's leadership in Count Dooku, General Grievous, and Nute Gunray was evil. I'd also however say that the Republic Leadership is evil save for the Jedi Order.

 

I don't think Gunray was evil. He slowly entered a pact with Sidious who dug him into a deeper and deeper hole. Notice his apprehension in TPM "My Lord, is that.....Legal?" I think by that point already he knew he was in too deep and had problems. He was scared as hell of his ally. Without Sidious, Gunray never would have invaded Naboo. If he wouldn't invade Naboo, it's safe to say he wouldn't try to start a war.

Carnage

 

Yeah, Nute was just a stupid coward, essentially.

 

I agree that Nute's a coward but with Lucas's thing for the cowardly villain I figured he was meant to be evil, even if it didn't quite come out.

 

The old republic allowed slavery, so it wasn't the ideal democracy.

When you look at it, the only thing really nasty that the Empire does is blow up a planet (ok, that is pretty high up the nasty stage).

 

They were all controlled by the Sith, including The Old Republic... So, at the end, everything was being manipulated by them and appeared to be so evil as you have addressed... But, I don't think they were evil because of something else other than that.

Everything had to dealed with political interest and ideals, and as far as I am concern, even Naboo had relationships with the Trade Federation, and they weren't evil nor controlled by the Sith.

The systems that decided to leave the Republic did it because they were manipulated by a Sith Lord that appeared before them as a political leader and an idealist, and these systems saw that the Republic was so corruptive, according with his ideals.

Now, it is interesting to think of those cowardly members of the Trade Federation as evil... When the Sith lords were evil, but not coward...

Does it makes any sense?

 

No they were not evil, the republic was corrupt. I love how in ROTS there are no real bad guys except DS, there were good guys and bad guys on both sides.

 

Nute is evil in a different way. He's bold enough to be evil when it doesn't involving risking his skin, but once people like Grievous and Vader show up...that's a different story.

 

The Republic was corrupt because it was controlled and manipulated by the Sith, not because they wanted to be corrupt... I don't believe that the Jedi served all the time to a corruptive senate or whatever... They did served the Republic, but this Old Republic tend to be corruptive 32 years before the Battle of Yavin, when the Sith came out from their shadows.

Now, it is interesting to think also that there where heroes on both sides... Just like the ROTS scroll said... So it means that there were no other evil beings such as the Sith Lords.

 

Is the Confederacy of Independent Systems Evil?

I think they're just like any other political organization: It can be molded to the will of those who hold the reigns of power. Even a government engineered to do good can still be made to serve evil if those in power choose to do so.

 

So what "known" Seperatist systems joined the Rebellion?

 

No, obviously not, the republic was the run by the Sith and corrupt, thats why there were separatists, they saw how corrupt it became, they were not good either. There was no good or evil.

 

There was good it was just limited to the Jedi Order and the delagation of 2000