Jagged Fel...Emperor?

They are killing my man Jag.

I was pretty excited when Luke named him to lead the Imperial Remnant, I could feel the character growth and conflict right around the corner. Then Fate of the Jedi starts and I'm confused.

First he goes from being Mr. Duty and Honor to , hey let me play spy games and capture Jedi and break the law, but wait I can't tell you that secret...I'm Mr. Duty and Honor. Anyone else lost there?

What's really killing me though is his so far letting the Moffs walk all over him along with Han. Most likely his character will start getting tougher soon, but I hate having to wait and watch him like this. I guess I just had to vent.

 

I think they're trying to make him a more rounded and three-dimendsional character, instead of the flat Captain Cardboard.

 

I personally like the change. I always saw Jag as being a bit too predictable.

 

Well, you probably guess what I'm going to post.

Jagged Fel ... Clone.

 

Or maybe Syal had some fun with the Soontir Fel clones...

 

I think the change in Jag's character is a natural evolution. People change as they get older, we grow-up and mature. The type of responsibilities that Jag has had put on his shoulders in a short amount of time require that he change some boundries and handle himself differently. He's a politician now - not a figher pilot, and that requires a whole other set of skills. Although, I'd imagine that he uses a lot of what he learned as a pilot in his new profession, and, Fel is certainly intelligent and savvy enough to know how to do that.

So, yeah, I think that by the time Jag is crowned there will be significant changes from the character we were introduced to in Dark Tide. And as an Ultimate-Jagged Fel-Fan I don't have a problem with that, in fact, I expect it. As long as they stay true to the basic nature of the character I don't mind if they 'muddy' him up a little. One can not be an effective ruler and be a nice guy all the time. Will we ever see Jag as hardened and 'gray' (if you will) as 137 aby Roan Fel? I don't think so given what we know of his reign, but we could definately see Jag mirror a 130 aby Roan, in fact, I'd bet on it.

</Jag> I AM the Empire.

Oh... yeah.

 

This makes an interesting comparison to his GA counterpart. Admiral Stazi may be the last hope for the GA, but he tries to act as though he is no different from any other freedom fighter, that the cause is what is important, not him.

 

Except that the "I AM The Empire" is true, insofar as Roan is in fact the Emperor. Everything within an Empire belongs to the Emperor, for all intents and purposes.

I'm sure GAJ can say this much better than I can.

 

Yes, Emperor Fel really is in a surprisingly tough spot because he's not fighting for an ideology but himself.

 

I dunno, I think, 'the Sith are freaking evil and need to be destroyed' is a passable start, ideologically.


I'm interested to learn how the powers of the new Imperial throne came into being, for the record. As SCIF, Gilad Pellaeon could bully the civilian government into toeing the line by 'federalizing' their armed forces and stripping them of their power bases through which they enforced their regional rule. As head of state, he seems to have had a much more direct political influence.

Fast-forward to Roan Fel--the Emperor in fact and name--and his authority most closely mirrors an Old Republic supreme chancellor (according to the Atlas) and he doesn't have the constitutional ability to declare war...

 

Urgh. Some Emperor Roan is.

Although I'm expecting him to have the Moffs executed at the end of the war for treason, which would leave the Empire an obviously much-changed place, particularly in terms of the Emperor's powers.

Plus of course, there's the still-loyal Imperial forces like the 501st that have ignored the moffs and declared loyalty to the Emperor.

 

MOFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

 

I wonder which Moffs (with their heads!) will be 'dealt with' so to speak. As far as I recall, the only two that were directly collaborating with the Sith were Nyna Calixte and Moorlish Veed. The rest of the High Council just pressed for war in the first place and would up in over their heads. Then there're the Moffs that don't sit on the High Council... Presumably, at least some of them have remained loyalists.

It's interesting to note on the map of the 137 ABY galaxy that the loyalists' holdings are more or less carved from the heart of original Imperial space. Roan Fel only seems to have lost some of his more Core-ward systems and sectors to the usurpers' treachery. I submit that most of the original pre-Sith-Imperial War Moffs remained loyal to the Emperor, and the ones appointed to govern occupied GA sectors seem to have been more prone to defection.

Then there's the High Council, of course...

 

Just to point out: Fel wasn't very concerned about fair-handed punishment for that one ship that defected-he had the whole crew executed, didn't he?

I see the entire High Council getting whacked.

 

The crew of the Dauntless was in the back of my mind. Though if the Chiss were hiding Roan Fel from the initial Sith manhunt, at least one of their number might not get shot in the face.

 

Ehh...maybe. If he's very lucky.

Or if he's Thrawn in disguise.

Although what I'd really like is for Roan and Calixte to be Baneite Sith Lords who, after the One Sith have gotten damaged enough by their war with the GA, unleash the might of the Empire and crush their ideological enemies into the ground. Ideological enemies who, by the way, just conquered the galaxy for them.

 

Well, they were all war criminals.

 

So one of the big issues of the Second Empire, besides an Emperor who clearly hasn't earned his throne, is the power and freedom of the Moffs.

This one of the issues I'd love to see Jag handle, but who knows. If he does we know it doesn't last.

Lecersen and others are murderers and he has them standing at his back. You'd think he might have been able to appoint loyal honorable replacements for the Moffs killed during the war. As it is Jag clearly has been weak and allowed to rule simply because having him around keeps the peace and allows the Empire to rebuild. Though I have no interest in Jag becoming some monster or crazy I do relish seeing when he will put his foot down. I'm guessing they'll do something to push him over the edge like try to kill Jaina, in fact i'm pretty sure that'll be it. Also, slightly off topic, anybody wonder what current jedi will become Imperial Knights?

Seriously who from this era, besides uninvented nobodies, would swear loyalty to Jag Fel and Jaina?

 

As I've brought up in other threads...the fact that the Moffs and Lecersen are running around and scheming, to me strongly indicates an assassination attempt, that will succeed in killing Jag. Why else would Lecersen have so much scene time in the FotJ novels so far? The authors are all clearly planning something big with him, and are each introducing him here and there in their novels.

As for who will join the Imperial Knights? I'm not convinced we will ever see such a thing in the novels...however, if we do, I would agree they will have to reinvent more Jedi (Maybe Zekk if he comes back alive, and perhaps Lowbacca if he exists anymore)...but like the two no-name apprentices who abandoned their robes in Abyss...deserter Jedi like them would likely join Jaina.

 

Jagged Fel was emperor. He had at least two children, (Roan's father and Morgan´s father/mother).
Murder of Jagged Fel impossible in the near future of FOTJ.

 

Unless
a) he already has two children. You know, the Chiss and their "shadow child" thing.
b) he gets murdered and cloned again.

 

There is enough time to link up Jag's progeny to Legacy. I don't think it is realistic for an "emperor" as such to appear on the scene at this point. That would be another nutty 'Daala for CoS' move.

 

And what was he supposed to do? Storm a Star Destroyer and get his own (limited) supply of troopers killed rooting out pockets of resistance?

He couldn't know who was with or against him, so he had to deal with the entire crew. Anyone he let slip away is a possible resistance fighter and danger to his troops.

It was a Captain Sensible moment, and one of the things that actually made me like the Emperor and that storyline. Props to Ostrander for the follow-through on that moment.

 

This is very funny to me. Human society has always had *ideology*. Just not necessarily formalize ones. And what you just described as 'the right to rule his vision of a just galaxy' is ideological in nature. Its a personal ideology shaped by the ideologies of others that becomes a formal ideology the moment it is applied to poitics and government.