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Amph James Cameron's Avatar (The Way of Water, Fire and Ash + sequels)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Clonuscant, Jan 8, 2007.

  1. Glitterstimm

    Glitterstimm Force Ghost star 6

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    This one's gonna be great, heck the whole Avatar Decade is gonna be great!
     
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  2. Thena

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    Sigourney looks good in blue...

     
  3. bstnsx704

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    Kiri has the same face markings as Grace's Avatar, too:

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    Definitely thinking there must be some sort of reincarnation angle at play here with Kiri, since Grace's consciousness was essentially absorbed by Eywa during the failed attempt to move it into Grace's Avatar body. Some version of Grace's consciousness that was stored in Hometree must have been reborn in a new body as Kiri.
     
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  4. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Obviously……

    I better see the original when it’s re-release. I remembered none of that - let alone Weaver being in the movie.
     
  5. bstnsx704

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    Looks like this BTS still Jon Landau posted a couple years ago must have been from when they were shooting a new Grace diary log for Kiri to watch in The Way of Water:



    Pic from today:

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  6. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    That’s some serious prosthetic makeup on Mark Ruffalo. I didn’t know he was in this too.
     
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  8. Thena

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  9. Sarge

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    I wouldn't bother. Mainstream sequels always recap whatever necessary plot points have been forgotten by the lowest common denominator in the audience.
     
  10. Thena

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  11. bstnsx704

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    From the article –

    All in on this concept.
     
  12. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Eh, it's gonna be a hard sell trying to pass this guy off as a serious Big Blue Meanie. He looks like an angry cartoon kitty.

    Random prediction: At some point Quiddich Quaritch is going to realize he's being kept alive by Pandora, and by helping the humans strip it for unobtanium he's going to die. So he's either going to switch sides at that point, or more likely, continue what he's doing regardless because he's a metaphor for today's humans who realize they're being destructive to Earth's environment but continue what they're doing anyway.

    Which is fine. But it's hard to take this metaphor seriously when he's a sparkly blue kitty.
     
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  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Some details elaborating on some of those images:

    1st, regarding Signourney's character:

    Weaver tells the outlet she was thrilled to be given that challenge by Cameron, saying how she was 5′ 10′ or 5′ 11′ when she was 11 and so knew how the character Kiri would feel awkward a lot of the time. Cameron says his “Aliens” star was more than up for it:

    Cameron: “As an acting challenge, it’s big. We’re gonna have a 60-something actor playing a character [decades younger than] her actual biological age. Sig thought it was all kinds of fun. [She] just became younger. She looked younger, she had more energy, and she never quite stepped out of Kiri for our whole capture period. She had a glow on her face and lightness in her step and a fun spirit.”

    2nd, re: Quaritch:

    Lang: “He’s bigger, he’s bluer, he’s p–sed off, but there may possibly be an aspect of humility. When you take two Na’vi arrows in the chest, that’s gonna have some kind of effect on you.
    [He] was always a character who moved in straight lines and at right angles. But now he is as lithe as they come. He can move with the same kind of cunning and feral quality that any of the Na’vi can.”

    3rd, re: the setting and plot:

    The outlet confirms the RDA will now have a whole set of Recoms/Recombinants – avatars embedded with the memories of human soldiers and they mean business with producer Jon Landau saying: “They are coming back with an armada to take back the prized possession that they lost.”

    In addition, the RDA has built an entirely new city named Bridgehead and is stripping away the resources of Pandora’s oceans. They also have a weapons-manufacturing 3D printing facility that can churn out all the munitions they want.

    4th, re: the development, motivation and timeline of the sequels:

    Cameron himself also spoke about his larger overall plans for the sequel, saying the point of doing them was to tell a much larger scale story:
    “What I said to the Fox regime at the time was, ‘I’ll do it, but we’ve got to play a larger game here. I don’t want to just do a movie and do a movie and do a movie. I want to tell a bigger story.

    I said, ‘Imagine a series of novels like The Lord Of The Rings existed, and we’re adapting them.’ Now, that was great in theory, but then I had to go create the ****in’ novels from which to adapt it.

    I had to think long and hard whether I even wanted to make another Avatar film, because it was kind of ours to lose. When you’ve done something that’s been that transcendent in terms of success, do you really want to go try and do that again? There’s a lot of pressure on it. I thought about it for a good two years before we finally made a deal.”


    All the details start to add up to that 13 year release gap in interesting, yet very logical ways. This may be the most understood, extended gap between franchise releases in the history of film, given that most tend to have some form of nebulous development hell and other factors at play that we aren't made aware of or can anticipate until long after a film actually comes out.

    Which would also explain why this film is falling into that weird middle range for release gaps. Most sequels come out 2-9 years after the first film, and legasequels hit 15+ years later (with the pattern hitting 20-40 years more commonly over the past decade). But that middle gap of 10-14 years, while not exactly rare, tends to be much less common. But start subtracting obvious factors like covid delays and, now, the two years for a deal to even start, and you're already under the 10 year mark. Throw in writing 3 films and then rewriting to expand to 4 films while also developing a theme park and the remaining time really starts to add up shockingly well.

    As a result, though, the film starts to potentially benefit from the effects of being nearly a legasequel, with a sort of short-end-generational nostalgia to be able to tap into that it may not have had had it come out even 3 or 4 years sooner.
     
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  14. bstnsx704

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  15. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    Too much, even for Cameron
     
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  16. Dr Silva

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    Give them youngsters George Lucas and Ridley Scott a shot at Pandora lol, i could see Peter Jackson taking over and directing a few of the sequels.
     
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  17. BigAl6ft6

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    Maybe Cameron even realizes that 20 years on Avatar might be a bit much. He also brings up financial possibilities that 4 and 5 might not get made anyway (he mentions "market forces"), even if they apparently have all the performance capture done already.
     
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  18. dp4m

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    Actually, this is on-brand -- he's low-key told a bunch of franchise directors to quit after 3 movies (Michael Bay and Transformers being the most prominent one I can recall).
     
  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Sounds like he really wants to make 4, which makes it sound like only 5 is in question. Cameron has walked away from franchises and developing projects before, but those were mostly due to things outside of his control (ie: Terminator rights, 9/11's effect on True Lies 2, etc). But if he goes for 4/5 I also don't think he'd want to give up control for the last film.

    It is promising that he's already thinking about future projects, however.
     
  20. bstnsx704

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    What shocks me mostly here is that I thought that 4 and 5's live action production had actually already begun. Guess not.

    Cameron could end up pulling an Original Trilogy-George Lucas and doling out the last two while heavily supervising and running the show (he already kind of did that with Alita: Battle Angel and Terminator: Dark Fate in 2019), but honestly, I expect that he does end up being the one to direct them, given the way he's talking about 4 in that interview and his immediate backtracking on his statement.

    It is interesting that he's already thinking about his post-Avatar career and other stories that he still has in him that he wants to tell.
     
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  21. Thena

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    Maybe he'll even have time to produce Alita 2.
     
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  22. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, they've only filmed some of 4- the part set before the time jump. Allows the younger cast to age a little for when they shoot the rest of 4 & 5. The scripts and, presumably, the pre-production design elements are also done (or mostly done). This way they can (again, presumably) hit the ground running on those films so it won't take as long, or cost as much, to finish/film them.
     
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  23. bstnsx704

    bstnsx704 Force Ghost star 5

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    Ah, that's right!

    Just went back and dug up the relevant Cameron quote from late last year:
    So there has been a bit of production on 4, but then they stopped after shooting the ~25 pages or so and have not yet picked up on any more of 4 or any of 5 at all. Makes sense.
     
  24. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    Cameron gonna Cameron. A 3-hour running time isn't a huge deal for me, but it will cut back the number of screenings they can have daily.

     
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  25. bstnsx704

    bstnsx704 Force Ghost star 5

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    A long runtime certainly didn't hurt the first one's box office. Or any number of recent superhero movies, for that matter.