Jango Fett could have killed Obi Wan and anakin in AOTC...

I don't think he could have killed Anakin or Obi.
The reason they didn't sense it was because it's trajectory wasn't targeting them, if it had been they would have sensed it. They also wern't concentrating their senses like they were on Padme's room at the time of the hit, Anakin was in the middle of an intense interrogation.

 

But that's exactly the problem with arguing that Dooku planned on Kenobi having other sources of information as well...he runs the exact same risks as leaving the info in there. Dex not only identified the dart as a Kaminoan Saber Dart, he also knew that Kaminoans were expert cloners. Kenobi still stumbles upon an army for the Republic..I fail to see exactly what difference deleting the information made...which is why I find it far more likely that Dooku/Sidious did NOT want Kenobi to find Kamino that soon, that they planned on letting the info get out there, but later, after they could finalize some other parts of the plan. If they wanted Kenobi to find Kamino that quickly, they would have made sure Jango and Boba weren't there anymore first.

Whether Kenobi gets the info from the archives, or from Dex, the outcome is the same, so it just doesn't seem too logical to state that Dooku deleted the archives, knowing Kenobi would have other ways to get the info...UNLESS Dooku didn't plan on it taking far less time than it should have. I suspect that Kenobi found the information far sooner than he was supposed to, or the Jedi weren't supposed to find them at all, but rather Palpatine's agents.

 

From Dooku's POV i think you are right. Dooku had a narrow escape. But it was Sidious, who else, that put into motion Obi and Anakin to be in charge of Padme, knowing where that lead especially given Anakin's focus on Padme. Sidious was ready for the clone army to be found and he had foreseen the clone war starting, Dooku was just a stopgap and he could of continued the war and justifications with General Grevious and whoeva else he dug up.

 

Timing is everything. Any time before the Clone Wars are set to start, would throw a hydrospanner into their plan. That is why Kamino is kept hidden from the Archives and once Obi-wan is sent to find Jango, his investigation will take him to Kamino. Also you have the fact that the Kaminoans were told to expect someone from the Jedi Order, to check on their progress. Yes, it is a risk, but the Sith are the risk takers.

 

I agree.

 

Yes, it seems important that Jango made the abrupt decision to leave Kamino due to his encounter with Obi-Wan. Also that his armor was virtually in plain sight before Boba closed the door.

 

who are those guys?

 

In this case, it would probably be Republic Intelligence, not associated with the Jedi. The real source would have been Palpatine, but when the timing was right, he would say that he had his own Intelligence agents working on the case too, and they discovered Kamino, et al. It makes sense that the Republic would have its own version of the CIA and FBI, an Intelligence section that didn't report to the Jedi, but did report to the Senate/Supreme Chancellor. Palpatine could easily claim that one of those agents "discovered" Kamino, at the proper time. Now, this is just speculation, as we simply don't know what Palpatine's plans called for, I am just trying to use some common sense to try to figure it out. One benefit to having "agents" discover Kamino and not the Jedi, would be to discredit the Jedi's sleuthing ability. Palpatine could erode the Jedi's reputation a little by remarking about how his agents found the answer when the powerful Jedi could not...It seems logical that Palpatine would seek to discredit the Jedi in little ways any chance he could, and this could have been one of those chances. But again, since we have no idea what Palpatine's plan actually was, its nothing but speculation.

 

Or Palpatine did intend for the Jedi to find it, which is why he manipulates the Jedi into separating the two of them. Thus he can later make it look like the Jedi did create the Clone Army and were planning to use them in a power struggle, once the Clone Wars were over. There is the fact that Sifo-Dyas had been involved in their creation. Palpatine used him to get it started, but there's nothing that says that he wouldn't use that knowledge as part of his evidence of a Jedi uprising.

 

Again, if the purpose of deleting the records was just to delay the Jedi finding it, thats fine...however, if the timing was right for the Clones to be discovered, it would have been illogical to delete the records of Kamino and the Saber Darts. Dooku could not have possibly counted on Obi-Wan's friend Dex just happening to have the exact info he was looking for. The records got purged, and there are only a few possible reasons why. I am not discounting that Palpatine planned on the Jedi discovering Kamino EVENTUALLY, but, I see no logical basis in deleting the information, if you intended for the Kaminoan Saber Dart to be the clue that sets everything in motion. If you want to delay the Jedi, it makes sense. If you want to set up a scenario where your agents "discover" Kamino before the Jedi can, it makes sense. However, if you wanted the Jedi to find Kamino in a timely manner, you don't delete the record from the Jedi Archives, nor do you not inform the weak link in your plan, Jango Fett that the Jedi are on their way, and he needs to get out of there to avoid potential capture. Based on that, I think its logical to assume that Kenobi's resourcefulness in identifying Kamino as quickly as he did was not planned for on the part of the Sith.

 

I agree.

 

Zam did not fail, her worms were going to kill Padme and fufill her job, there is no way that she could have known that the Jedi had gotten involved and started protecting Padme now,so when they come in and kill her two worms then she is most likely shocked because the plot was working, even in the Novelization of AOTC Zam is shocked that Obi-Wan is a jedi when he starts deflecting her blaster shots while he is coming towards her, she then simply adjusts her aim and destroys the droid to ditch him, the two jedi chasing her is an impossible situation that she cannot control, most likely they were not even considered, Anakin and Obi-Wan were a Jokers Wild Card thrown into the plot and stopped it from working, she would have been successfull if the jedi had not been involved but could not account for them.

And Jango Fett made a mistake himself, supposedly he was in the background in either his ship Slave I or flying around on his jetpack and watching everything as it happened correct? If this is true because he shows up at the last minute and kills Zam just before she can rat him out to the jedi then why doesnt he interfere early on and do something? Why not just destroy Obi-Wan and Anakins Speeder during the chase?why not blast Obi-Wan himself when he was hanging from the droid? he was there hiding and watching it all but doesnt try to help Zam out, that would have ensured his success and pleased Count Dooku, Jango failed too.

 

Actually, Jango doesn't need to know anything. He'd be totally in the dark here. As to Obi-wan having a contact, it didn't have to be Dexter. It could be anyone. Jedi are known for having other resources as their disposal. It just so happened his resource had visited Kamino before. But if Dex failed him, Obi-wan would look for someone else. Palpatine wanted Obi-wan to investigate Zam, while Anakin was off with Padme. He arranged for it. It's not implauseable for Palpatine to have had Obi-wan looked into and discover that one of his associates on Coruscant, had been to Kamino and thus could identify the saber dart. Thus he made sure that these two Jedi would be the one to protect Padme, which in turn would allow them to do what he wanted. The assassination wasn't important. What was important was manipulating them into finding the army and starting the war.

 

I always assumed He only had one dart on him or he had a very limited amount of time

 

I don't think he thought of killing obi-wan and anakin as his main objective, he was sticking to his orders.

 

her mission was to kill padme, not place two worms in the room. she did fail.

 

What the Jedi would be expected to know about the saberdart would be limited to what the analysis droids told Obi-Wan: basically nothing. Certainly nothing about Kamino.

The Kaminoans would have contacted the Republic eventually.

 

Once the saber dart would be unidentified in the Archives, the Jedi who is investigating, would not just simply give up.

 

The whole assasination attempt was part of the Emperor's plot.

Padme is the Senator from Naboo, Count Dooku's sith master is also from the Naboo government. Don't you think that if they really wanted Padme dead that Palpatine would not have clued them in on the fact that government officials always have decoys to throw off assasins?

By putting her life in jeopardy Palpatine reunites Anakin and Padme, knowing that his feelings for her would shake Obi Wan's hold on him.

He also requested that the Jedi guard her. Had he really wanted her dead, he would not have done this.

Jengo Fett had one role, wait for the bounty hunter to screw up and get caught then kill her with the dart.

You can't say he was trying to hide his tracks when he used a dart from the planet on which he was residing. A good assassin uses untraceable weapons.

 

The idea that Zam was supposed to screw up is absurd. The OS is correct on this issue ( for once ).

 

Hence the reason that all references to Kamino were deleted from the Jedi Archives in the first place. If not for Dex's uncanny intelligence about such items, the saber dart was for all intents and purposes, untraceable, which adds to my argument that the Sith either did not intend for the Jedi to find Kamino at all, leaving open the possibility that Govt. agents working for Palpatine were supposed to (based on information provided by Palpatine, of course) or that the Sith expected the Jedi to eventually discover Kamino, but, they weren't going to make it easy for them, and wanted them to waste resources on it. Kenobi showed up at Kamino sooner than the Sith wanted, otherwise they would have taken better precautions regarding Jango Fett. Fett, if captured by Kenobi, could theoretically spoil the whole thing. If you wanted the Jedi there, that soon, you make sure Jango is long gone first. But, because Dooku or whoever went to the effort to delete all things Kaminoan from the Jedi Archives, the Kaminoan Saber Dart "should" have been untraceable, at least, for a while.

 

Actually, Padme dying isn't important right now. What is important is that she is not on Courscant when it's time for Palpatine to be given Emergency Powers. That was his true goal in the assassination.

Actually, Jango needs to be there. How else do you get a Jedi to come to Geonosis and report that there is a cabal dedicated to war, building up an army and report back to the Chancellor. All so that he can manipulate Padme's replacement into giving him Emergency Powers, so that he can authorize a war legally?

 

Why would all that be necessary? If the Sepratists had simply taken an influential world Palpatine would have been able to do the same thing with far less left up to chance.

 

The archives deleted the planets existence to help ensure that nobody stumbled upon the planet by accident while the army was being hatched. What would have happened had this plot been uncovered four years earlier when the threat from the separatists was not one that justified raising an army.

If they do not find the clones, then getting emergency powers has no meaning. Palps couldn't exactly get the powers, turn to Yoda and say, 'oh, by the way, there is an army being formed on this planet which you know nothing about"

And Zam was not sent to screw up, at least not in her eyes and the eyes of the separatist leaders. But Dooku knew that she would fail, she was being protected by Jedi. Dooku approved of the assasination attempt because they knew the attempt would enable them to put other things in action.....

And Jango, as any good bounty hunter would, did look surprised when Obi Wan showed up...did you really expect him to say "long time no see, can I have my dart back now"

 

Because that wouldn't get the Jedi to do what he wanted them to do. Part of the revenge was to make the Jedi go against their beliefs, to make them pawns in a war. To weaken and corrupt them morally and physically. The Jedi go on the offensive. They attack when they should defend. They get involved when they shouldn't. The Sith deal with chance and turn it to their advantage. Palpatine has planned this out, based on visions of the future and his own internal thought process. For one thousand years this plan has been going on. The Jedi are so predictable, it was pathetic.

He could've been genuinely surprised. It doesn't matter if he knew or not, though odds are that he didn't know. Only the Sith knew of what was needed.