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Jango's toxic dart looks like the Jedi temple war room.

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Pyrogenic, Oct 15, 2009.

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  1. Pyrogenic

    Pyrogenic Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    http://www.tk409.com/images/fett/dart/1.jpg
    http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/f/f7/Jedi_temple.jpg

    In AOTC, as soon as we can see the shape of the toxic dart (as Obi-Wan holds it up), the scene wipes to the Jedi temple. The top of the main tower in the middle, which is revealed to be the war room in ROTS, looks very similar. A spike with three extended side things. The implication is that the Jedi plotting war tactics are poisonous, and that their actions may "revert beautiful women into horrifying monsters."

    In Star Wars, things look like other things. Don't be an analysis droid who only focuses on symbols!

    Meaning arises via analogies. There are thousands upon thousands of analogies in Star Wars.

    Also, they're obvious. This one, for example, is depicted in two adjacent shots.

    Where else could they be?!
     
  2. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Heed thy own advice.
     
  3. morpha2

    morpha2 Jedi Master star 3

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    Actually, the temple war room looks more like an upended X-Wing fighter. And lightsabers look like glowing phalli. What could that mean? [face_thinking]
     
  4. Pyrogenic

    Pyrogenic Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If you understood my advice, you wouldn't have said that. Everything is a symbol. Everything is a sign. The surface level. The easiest thing to understand. Don't focus on that. To focus on that is to reify.

    Instead, focus on the spirit behind the symbols, i.e., what they analogize.

    The parts ---> the relation between parts.

    "It's these funny little cuts on the side that give it away" = deleted scenes.

    Look at what's there and what's not there and search for the reasons why SW is how it is. Become conscious of the history that is immanently sedimented within the works.
     
  5. Pyrogenic

    Pyrogenic Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It would look more like an X-Wing if it had four side things instead of three. Maybe those tri-fighters in ROTS? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_tri-fighter

    Sebulba's and Anakin's Podracers look like backward X- and Y-Wings, though.

    Lightsabers are glowing phalli. This means, for one thing, that the Jedi sublimate their sexuality through weaponry.
     
  6. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    That's what "focusing on symbols" means in this context.=D=

    [Furthermore, the analogy fails because "funny little cuts" don't say KAMINO to anyone who doesn't have preexisting knowledge of Kamino saber darts. You're actually seeing the difference between knowledge and... additional knowledge.]

    Unless your real name is "George Lucas" you're not in a position to tell us that.
     
  7. Pyrogenic

    Pyrogenic Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Too defensive. Everything is a symbol in our world. Semiotics. Signs and signifiers.

    "Focusing on symbols" in the context of that scene does not mean accurately identifying the spirit behind them. It means "seeing only a superficial detail and not making obvious connections based on form." The analysis droids can't figure it out because they mistake symbols for reality.
     
  8. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    No, it isn't. A symbol in this context is a literary device, or else the concept is not meaningful.

    No, it's because they lack the necessary data to identify it and it has no symbols.
     
  9. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Um, when does the Jedi temple turn women into ugly monsters?
    Or what does the temple represent that turns women into monsters?

    and does saber dart = tiny erection?
     
  10. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Jedi Knight star 5

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    and that their actions may "revert beautiful women into horrifying monsters."
    A bit backwards. Zam was a horrifying monster naturally, who turned into a beautiful woman.
     
  11. Charles_Grady

    Charles_Grady Jedi Youngling

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    it's more complex than that. WISDOM is required when symbols begin having multiple meanings, this is called a 'lexeme' one stage deeper than a homonym. languages like english are RIPE with them think about the words Spend and Mass. they have multiple meanings, you are thus required to know how to use them properly "I spent the morning at mass" is a phrase that uses the 2nd or third meanings of both words, thus you have to know all or some of these words meanings to know at least the sentence doesn't work if i use spent as in cash, or mass as in physics. they are no longer symbols of singular definitions, but may contain inversions, mutations, and then in the case of the Kamino dart, 'funny little marks' that define them further (a symbol with an alteration).

    Mr Vader is accurate when he says mistaking symbols for 'reality,' except the point of the symbol has been lost, we use symbols endlessly to remember stories, events etc. in fact all words are symbolic, we just aren't aware of them consistently.
     
  12. bluesaber70

    bluesaber70 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Not rreally no.
     
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