Full Series Jedi Survivors (spoilers)

They later elaborated Jocasta agreed with Eno Cordova's warning that a Purge was incoming and was prepared.
But honestly, I think its just gotten to the point where they made it so Vaders attack was just so incompetent and poorly planned out that at least half the Jedi in the Temple survived cause he didn't bother to have any clones actually guard the exits after he started the attack. Its the only explanation I can think of to even remotely justify how so many people who *should* have been in the temple at the attacks start managed to escape. We already have like half the council making it out, and apparently a clan of younglings managing to walk out the front door with no escort whatsoever.

All my POV of course, it just seems ridiculous to me.

 

Oooooh just when things couldn't get any sadder with the death of Tera Sinube, now Coleman Kcaj too?

Poor Coleman... at least we know that the Inquisitors didn't interrogate him; they knew by reputation alone that he wouldn't talk.

 

It's probably Coleman Kcaj, but I think that they may not be all jedi. Although sure recognizing a jedi without robes and lightsaber is impossible without the Force. It's clearly established that while Emperor especially hates the jedi he also sees all force-sensitives as a mere resource for him to exploit. These may all be kills of Inquisitorius kept as trophies, but preserved by the order of the Emperor.

I think they are not even really dead. It would make more sense to keep them between life and death since that would be more cruel on many ways. Also it would add more meaning to what Grand Inquisitor said in Rebels that there are much worse things that death. Also consider what Yoda said
"Death is a natural part of life" versus the infamous “The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”

Also Emperor is planning his cloning project at this point already. Mount Tantiss in Bad Batch and Grogu in Mandalorian are both connected to that too I think. So this may very well be another piece to that puzzle. Dark side is not afraid of unnatural and killing you is actually merciful compared to be kept in a jar as a resource for Emperor to use to rule the universe through your power. Tera Sinube being elder jedi Palpatine may have hated him especially much or just him having high midi-chlorian count. Yoda would have special place in Emperor's plans for sure, but Tera Sinube and Grogu is probably the closest he could get for now.

Coleman Kcaj is closest to Obi-Wan then I think. Emperor would like to catch them all and use their power. He has grown to even more twisted than he was when he wanted them all just killed.

 

It could be him, but it’s also possible it could be Pablo Jill

 

Yes his final fate has not been revealed either in canon I think. There was mention of him dueling Grievous and losing his lightsaber over Duro, but he was only injured there not dead. Personally I would like to see some movie jedi knight being killed by Grievous though so I wouldn't mind they would kill off Pablo-Jill there, but both ongree jedi lack canon fate and this is one of those probably.

 

We’ll hope it’s Pablo

 

It’s a real shame that most of the cool looking alien Jedi only cameo. I’d love to see them be properly featured on screen and get some character development.

 

Any idea who's the guy on the left? Quinlan Vos?

 

Gone but not forgotten

 

Speaking of next level cruelty... thinking that those Jedi were alive (and conscious the whole time just for cruelty's sake!) really sounds like a fate worst than death. Seeing that they don't have lightsaber wounds and that Nari was left hanging on Tatooine could be a hint of this!

On the other hand Nari didn't seem to have a lightsaber wound either and was very much dead, so it can just be an aesthetic choice... but they did want to take him alive. Maybe we didn't get these Jedi post Endor because the Fortress was never breach again, or worse yet, it wasn't like carbonite, so the moment they would be released they would die anyway. Ok, I think I prefer these poor beings to be dead officially .

 

How did half the council make it out?
Which ones are the other 4 Jedi Masters outside of Yoda and Kenobi that were at the Temple and should have died but survived?
Also, we haven't seen what happened with those younglings yet.

 

Half the Jedi Council:
The only 2 that should be alive by ANH.
+ Oppo Rancisis
+ Eeth Koth
+ Coleman Kcaj
+ Certain rumors about another I won't mention here for multiple reasons.
Even if the rumors are false that's 5 out of 12 members, almost half.

That is a lot of leadership for an order suffering from a purge that was supposedly wildly successful. This problem is less about who is and isn't in the temple and more about prioritizes. The leadership would certainly be Palps #1 target because a decapitation strike leaves the Order in chaos and easier to take down. With so many survivors it makes it seem like the Order wasn't hit so bad after all and could have easily regrouped if they bothered to reach out to one another, which in turn makes the Jedi look incompetent for failing to.

Jedi that should be in the temple during Order 66:
-Every Youngling Clan. (Two of which have been verified to have made it out, a third is very much implied)
-Every Jedi Retired from active service including Tera Sinube (Assuming the tomb is only victims of the Inqs and not Operation Knightfall)
- Jocasta Nu.

Really, I've elaborated on my gripe before, the Council thing is my biggest annoyance and that was a problem caused by the Darth Vader comic.
Increasingly it also feels like just about any named Jedi who is not confirmed to have died actually survived, at least initially, which just comes off as weak. Though admittedly there was some of this in legends too, that was mitigated by the number of Order 66 stories told around the time ROTS came out.

 

Precisely.

And some of those, especially if they were Masters in the Jedi Council, might have survived the initial attack and subsequently hunted down by the Inquisitors.

That was after all why the Inquisitors were created, and it is strongly implied by Kenobi's fear that they were definitely somewhat successful in killing off almost all the Jedi survivors scattered across the galaxy.

Darth Vader probably massacred every single Jedi in the Temple except from Reva (?)
I am sure there will be a flashback that shows what happened to Reva and the rest of those younglings.

These would have no reason to be at the Jedi Temple in the middle of the Clone Wars.
We already saw what happened to Aayla Secura, Plo Koon, Depa Billapa and Ki-Adi-Mundi.
All of them were off Coruscant.

 

Yeah but they weren't all in the Temple. The galaxy is a big place.

 

Let assume that operation Knightfall and Order 66 was 90% effective. That gives us let’s say 1,200 Jedi (younglings and padawans included) suriving the initial purge. Over the years they hunt them done to say 99% percent. That still means at least 100 Jedi. And again the 10,000 Jedi only means masters and Knights. Padawans and younglings are not included.

So there still being a bunch of Jedi running around and or in hiding isn’t shocking.

I am even fine with like a dozen or so Jedi surviving past Episode 6

out of the countless real world genocides no one has ever genocided a complete race or religion. So some Jedi surviving makes sense to me. It’s not like Yoda would actually know other Jedi were around when he told Luke “when I die last of the Jedi you will be”.

 

Eeth wasnt even a jedi anymore when 66 went down, he wasnt on the council.

 

Did you even read the rest of my post?

Semantics.

My issue can probably be best described by the "Million is a statistic" trope.
We can rave all we want about how successful it is but when most of the victims have neither names nor faces and everyone, we care about survives its hard to feel emotionally invested. Besides, Luke being the last of the Jedi in ROTJ makes the story feel so much stronger to me.

 

I admit I am a little confused by this math, why not 1000 Jedi initially? Or is that a typo?

But in any case, I think I am fine with an even more pessimistic number. I can believe 100 Jedi surviving Order 66 and eventually only about 10-15 of them being alive during the years of the Empire's reign.

And I don't think 5 out of the 12 Jedi Masters in the High Council surviving is extreme.
After all these 12 are supposed to be 12 of the most powerful Jedis in the galaxy.
We already saw how Yoda and Kenobi survived, and it was perfectly plausible.
It's not far fetched at all to think that 2-3 more survived.

I did.

Did you read MY post? I was disputing your claim about Darth Vader being incompetent.
Not your objection with how many named Jedi survived in total. I hear that.
There is nothing to suggest that anyone other than Reva (and maybe that one youngling in the tomb) survived Vader's attack at the Temple.
Perhaps that youngling's death was what pushed Reva to the dark side, who knows? Maybe he was her best friend.
Or maybe they made them fight each other to the death and that was Reva's first kill.
It doesn't matter a lot actually, that's still only 2 younglings escaping Vader's carnage at the Temple.

 

Except
1. Reva isn't the only youngling to make it out of the Temple by any means, even if we don't assume the rest of her immediate peers made it out with her (Despite their guardian being killed before they even made it to the exit), we for sure know of at least two others, and possibly a whole other clan depending on the circumstances involved in Cere Junda ending up protecting that group in Fallen Order.

2. My comment was predicated on the presumption that the tomb had no Jedi who died during Operation Knightfall, which includes Terra Sinube a Jedi who is explicitly retired from active services and should by all right be in the temple during the start of the attack. I'd very much rather this not be the case, but if it is so then it just reinforces idea that Vader did a terrible job planning his assault.

3. There is also Jocasta Nu.

My concern over Jedi Council survivors is a separate argument, though its worth noting that the four Jedi who accompanied Mace most certainly were not the only in the Temple because Shaak Ti was there as well. Its true we don't know where Kcaj and Rancisis were during Order 66, Kcaj was shown to be physically present for the last Council meeting in the film so I would think he should be in the temple, but that is not necessarily a given. His survival is more an indication of the efficiency of Order 66 as a whole than Vader specifically.

You can be fine with it, but it doesn't change my mind that these survivors weaken the drama of Order 66 and Operation Knightfall on rewatching.

 

I think it should be something they plan to have happen...like the Inquisitors still being around as well...no reason to get rid of it all and have a blank slate after RoTJ with no other Jedi, Inquisitors, etc... Like what they did with one line in the opening crawl where it refers to Luke as the Last Jedi. They need to avoid certain definitive statements.

But I would say that any Jedi Survivors at that point are either older padawans or younger knights. Having several people at the level of council members or much older masters would not make too much sense with Luke starting a new academy.

 

Didn't Filoni at some point say that a lot more Jedi did survive Order 66 but due to shame, failure, realizing they are no match vs Empire (the fight is lost), basically went into hiding, blended in with mass, gave up being Jedi etc.

Not wrong, Rebellion only becoming concrete thing like 4 years before IV so around Rebels-Andor timeframe.
At the start of Empire at best you get a tiny cell ala Saw that we saw in Bad Batch.

would make sense that some could survive post VI. Yoda talking about active Jedi by VI, Luke seemed only one.

 

I would think that after Endor or Jakku...there would be former Jedi who would reach out to Luke when he started forming his Academy. Not all of them but a few at least.

Not saying it hasn't happened...but we have not seen it yet.