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[Kick Ass] That's some Armenian guy with a history of mental health problems

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by VadersLaMent, Feb 19, 2010.

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  1. Quixotic-Sith

    Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Saw it, loved it, and am waiting for the DVD. I'll probably see it again. Hit-Girl is one of the most entertaining characters I've seen in a long time.
     
  2. Import_Jedi

    Import_Jedi Force Ghost star 6

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  3. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    1) While not fully touched on, basically this is a guy who is not special, not liked and he pretty much has nothing to live for. Pathetic essentially. Doing this, risky as it was, is akin to an alcoholic, gambler or drug addict. The thrill was a high for him and he couldn't quit. This is further evidenced by refusing to drop it after being asked to. Logically, he knew it was insane. But he couldn't quell his urges.

    2)The violence was made cartoonish to look a little less hidious and revolting then it would actually be. Half the panels in the comic were red at times. And hitgirl's first appearance had her splattered with blood from the men she'd just killed. This violence was actually tamed down in some effect to make it watchable. But it is clearly made to be comic in a style like Kill Bill, 300 or Watchmen.

    3) Really? Look at Kick-Ass again. He's panicked after his first encounter and he's angry and outraged during his second. For him it's about morals. Then look at his encounter with Hitgirl and his reaction to her actions He was terrified and awed in the same moment.. For Big Daddy It's revenge. He gives that speech to Marcus and let's anger creep in but look at how he goes to town on the guys in the warehouse with the ruthless, coldblooded mind of a killer. He was about punishing the guilty with a type of fanatisicm akin to a serial killer. He had no remorse for his actions because he was insane. And Hit Girl was clearly brainwashed. She was taken from Marcus, her mother is dead and her father is driven by revenge. He makes her into a warrior by treating it like a game and rewarding her behavior with bowling and ice cream. She's too young to fully comprehend what is it she's done. It's pure training that drives her. Brainwashing. Sound at all familiar to other youth killers in armies perhaps? Other than the language which she more likely heard from the men she killed then from her own father, much of her actions are fairly readable. When with Big Daddy, it's a game. The comic even further emphasizes this. When her father is killed, she's lost both parents, her life as she knows it has ended. She is filled with thoughts of betrayal, anger and revenge. She also wants to honor her father by completing what they started. She'll mourn after she's completed the mission. Again, how diffrent is this to others who have gone through a trauma. They enter a state of mind where they detach themselves from the situation and just deal with what they can, distancing themselves emotionally.
     
  4. Jedi_Johnson

    Jedi_Johnson Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I enjoyed the movie personally. It's meant to be over the top violent in part to satirize standard comic books. So its a given that not everyone will like it. If thats the case, thats fine but don't look down upon those who did enjoy Kick-Ass.
     
  5. Import_Jedi

    Import_Jedi Force Ghost star 6

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    Part of the reason why it didn't opened as well as expected was obviously because of its 'R' rating. One reason why "How to Train Your Dragon" shot back to #1 was because kids were buying tickets for this movie but sneaking into "Kick-Ass." One of my brothers pointed that out (since he actually saw kids sneak in) when he saw the movie on opening day
     
  6. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Given the Comic Book Guy nerdiness of the endeavor, it's not likely to get any acclaim for being the most snuck-into-movie of its generation, nothing remotely approaching the sneak in factor of, say, 8-Mile back in 2002 or the epic sneakin' into the movies phenomenon of Saturday Night Fever in 77. Teens don't get any points for doing it unless the movie is actually cool.
     
  7. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I found the trade paper back. I'll report back upon reading it.
     
  8. VadersLaMent

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  9. Kiki-Gonn

    Kiki-Gonn Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Loved the comic so I was admittedly rooting for this movie. While not as good as the comic, this movie rocked. It's not a great film but greatly entertaining.
    I wish they'd had the guts to not Hollywood it up in a few key places but this movie is ballsy enough as it is.
     
  10. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I just finished the comic today. I did like the film more but not by much. It is worth the $25.

    I liked the Cage version of Big Daddy far more. He is almost nothing in the comic and has no reason for what he did other than he wanted to. From a drama/story persepctive that is ok too, but I like that he has a sort of Punisher origin in the film. I also like the near-Batman costume of the film far more than what is in the comic.

    Quite possibly the best quote in the comic: "Six weeks ago I was Heroes Season One. Now, as far as the net was concerned, I was season ******* Two."

    I like in the film that Hitgirl gets a goodbye scene wih Big Daddy. Though in the comic it is cool that she breaks down a bit after all the killing, this going without a goodbye scene with him.

    Electrocuting testicles. OWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWW!

     
  11. Healer_Leona

    Healer_Leona Squirrel Wrangler & Former Mod/Wacky Wed. Winner star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Winner

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    Just read the comic too. Had I before I seen the movie I might have liked it more, but really thought it showed Big Daddy to be even more a total nutjob and ****wad for what he did to his daughter.

    I felt nothing for him when they blew him away in the comic. Okay, maybe a bit of relief for Mindy who hoped to have a normal life afterward.
     
  12. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I agree. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go fiddle with my tunk.
     
  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Big Daddy is definitely more likeable in the film- though I wish they had included the suitcase full of comics being the 3 million that funded his operation, instead of the (implied) money stolen from dealers.

    The one thing I disliked about the movie was that it held it's punches to play it safe too often, so far as adapting certain material went.

    This is most obvious with the love story, where, in the comic, it ends how it would be in real life, whereas the movie has a sort of teen comedy happy ending that doesn't really add anything to the film (it really just kills off a plotline and regulates the chick to just sitting at her work desk reacting worried to things).

    The loss of that bit of reality went against the concept and execution of most of the rest of the movie/comic. The jetpack was another.

    Other than that, the movie really did kick ass- extremely fun with some great action. Cage's Adam West impression was hilarious, there was a degree of sympathy for Red Mist not found in the comic, the webcast rescue attempt was very tense and moving and it had a bazooka.

    I did also miss the call back from the comic at the end to the Armenian Guy found in the comic (where the talk of Kick Ass inspiring new superheroes dovetails into the Armenian Guy getting into an elevator), as they went as far as establishing the "6 months earlier" relationshio between the two at the beginning.


    I agree this is something the film didn't convey well. In the comic, after his long recovery from his beating, he gives it up. But then gives in to his addiction and goes at it again. It was a great moment in the comic that is just brushed over in the film.

    I don't think that's really true. Kick Ass freaks out when Hit Girl pops up and he begins witnessing real violence and death. Big Daddy is a ruthless, targeted, killer (who does emotionally react to his daughter when she's in trouble several times), and Hit Girl has been brainwashed into treating it like a game (it's certainly not her first outing- we hear about some of Frank's men being taken out by Big Daddy and Hit Girl before even Kick Ass becomes Kick Ass).

    Yeah, I did like the one moment in the comic when, after Hit Girl takes out the thugs, she turns to Kick Ass with tears in her eyes and says something to the effect of "Can i have a hug? I just lost my daddy.".


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    If I might recommend...? ;)
     
  14. JMJacenSolo

    JMJacenSolo Jedi Master star 4

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    writing my post in all caps and bookending it with "herp derp" gives me the intellectual high ground in every debate lol
     
  15. Heero_Yuy

    Heero_Yuy Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I assume you're referring to me. All I'm doing is distilling their arguments into their base complaints. I don't see what the problem is as I'm just calling their NO like I see it.
     
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