Koth and Kolar on Geonosis

From what I know, Eeth Koth died on a gunship in the Battle of Geonosis in the film, but Agen Kolar's character was introduced because they couldn't get the original Koth actor. If that's true, how is Koth in Geonosis at all?

Don't tell me that it's archive footage from TPM as an unused gunship scene.

 

Eeth Koth may have been present at the Battle of Geonosis, and may have died in a gunship explosion, but he definitely wasn't in the film.

 

He died offscreen, or at least in one of the gunship explosions where you can't make out who's inside.

 

in the Inside the Worlds Book, it says that Eeth Koth was in the Gunship that was Hit right before Mace tells the Clone Pilot to land in the Assembly area.

 

Okay, then. From material I had read I was under the assumption that Koth was seen in the movie, despite Kolar.

 

Yes, Koth is seen in the council scenes which was taken by stock footage from TPM. Kolar was at Geonosis.

So:

Koth - Coruscant
Kolar - Geonosis

 

IIRC it was the same actor, but he just looked so different that they had to change his character. Something like that.

 

Different actor. It was supposed to be the same character, but since the actor looked so different - facial features, skin tone, and in the end even character design - they realized no one would buy them as the same guy, so they made him a new character.

 

The Koth/Kolar issue is somewhat contrversial... The Illustrated Guide says Koth died alongside fellow Jedi Sora Bulq in the LAAT/i that explodes next to Mace's in the film, but Sora most defidently survived that incident. There's no reason not to say Koth may have survived as well.


Of course, one could argue that Eeth Koth never appeared in any EU story thereafter -- but think about it: aside from Jedi Council: Acts of War, Koth wasn't in anything before AOTC, either. Even the new Essential Guide to Characters claims Koth wasn't all that popular. His "death" was a waste of a perfectly good character, if you ask me.

 

What character? If he only appeared in one EU source, he didn't have much development as a character.

 

He was a Jedi Council member, which would suggest he has an interesting, colorful, and accomplished career.

 

He was the teacher of Sharad Hett the Howlrunner, if I remember correctly.

 

I started liking Kolar. Double Blind is one of the slickest comic issues out there. Sharp and fast, both dialogue and action. Good cameos, tension. Damn the bloody full names.

Then Kolar just stood there like a complete statute to be stabbed.

 

So Koth was on the AOTC council -- was Gallia still on the AOTC Council too? I know Allie was introduced in AOTC, but I can never remember if she was on the Council or not.

 

Nope. Coleman Trebor, Shaak Ti and Oppo's tail were added for the AotC Council scene (as well as new Obi, Annie, Yoda and Mace) though the others remained the same. Thus, Koth and Gallia are still glimpsed in the movie, though it's their would-be dopplegangers we see on Geonosis. Stass and Kolar join the Council sometime prior to RotS. And in another fanboy-displeasing move, Clone Wars shows Koth on the Council prior to Anakin's knighting, despite the fact he's been dead for a couple of years. Yeah, he's taken to be Agen, but the likeness is definately Koth's. Also, Gallia's still on the Council at this point, having not met the business end of Grievous' blades yet.

 

I've always beleived that Koth was somewhere alive. I didnt see him in the survivors circle so when did he get to a gunship. I've arguing this ever since AOTC clones came out.

 

What's the status on Shaak Ti? Wookieepedia has said that she has no canon death. I know Wookieepedia is only so trustable but it gives fairly good reasons to her 3 separate deaths being uncanon.

The reason I ask is because it related to Order 66 survivors who also belong to the Jedi High Council, and Koth's status is somewhat mixed despite heaving an official death.

The two other hopefuls are Depa Billaba and Even Piell (yes, I'm aware of Depa's comatose status). Even was saved his unattractiveness and ambiguity, poor fellow, but it works to his advantage here.

 

Three seperate deaths? I thought Shaak only had two? Death by Grievous and death by Vader... and since neither were "included" in the movie, neither are canon (which gives me great hope Shaak survived!!).

Depa's corpse-like status is still ambiguous, even though I've seen one source saying she died from her "injuries" and "complications" from the Haruun Kal incident. Right...

Even Piell, I didn't know he was spared.

 

Depa was probably killed. I mean she was a sitting duck there in the Temple. Shaak Ti is alive, apparently, though that Grievous scene was boss.

 

I didn't know Even Piell survived

 

For Depa: "probably killed" =/= "definitely killed". Keep in mind that the last time she was seen or mentioned was about 17 months after Geonosis, which gives her a fairly large window of escape, and she doesn't have to be conscious for someone to move her body to another location (maybe even her homeworld) at any time between 17 ABG and Order 66.

For Even: his status is unknown. At this point, we can't say if he survived or was killed, or even if he was killed before Order 66. As I said, he was saved by his own ambiguity; "saved" in that he has an indefinite status, not as in he is a bona fide survivor of Order 66.

Personally, though, I think Even has pretty good chances of surviving, if the authors remember he even exists.

 

We haven't seen that clown-eared Lannik at all. Even Piell is long lived and a hardened fighter. Since AOTC he's completely MIA . . . and this has sneaky potential for good stories, if done right.

 

Obviously.

But without news to the contrary, we must assume she's still unconscious in the bowels of the Temple. Considering she's a very powerful user of the dark side, it's unlikely she was moved.

 

Shaak wasn't killed by Grievous, and couldn't have been, period. That death is utter non-canon, as she appears on the Council later in the movie. However, there is still the possibility that the Vader-in-Temple-death will be made canon.