KOTOR 2: General Chat & Discussion (NOT for Gameplay help / walkthroughs) - CONTAINS PLOT SPOILERS

Is the Ravager from KOTOR:SL the same sith cruiser in KOTOR I?

 

No, Karath's ship is the Leviathan.

 

i am on the last boss and so far only one thing has annoyed me......Darth Nhilious(sp) i was hoping he would turn out to be someone like Bastilla etc... but now i have beaten him(forgot to take his mask) i dont see the point in him.....some tell me why he is in the game?

 

Who's hotter:
Handmaiden dark vs Handmaiden light
Mira vs Handmaiden
Visa vs Mira
Visa vs Handmaiden
hehehehe i'm naughty

Oh yah Nihlius is not the last boss

 

Who's hotter:
Handmaiden dark vs Handmaiden light
Mira vs Handmaiden
Visa vs Mira
Visa vs Handmaiden
hehehehe i'm naughty

Oh yah Nihlius is not the last boss

Don't forget Atris, Sion, and Traya.

From top to bottom:

Handmaiden Light
Mira
Mira
Handmaiden

 

I just beat the game!

It was great!

The ending was left a little unexplaned though.

Can't wait for KOTOR III!

 

If it's made, that is. They could just leave it at that if they liked. After the tremendous uproar and backlash of conflicted views(Everyone who liked it always moans and groans about something, even though the plot is about as good as KOTOR I's with twice as good of gameplay), they might be hesitant to make another, or if they do, they will focus too hard on making the next installment better and ruin it, like with most trilogies.

 

Maybe they could move the timeline forward and have it set just before the prequel movies? That way there could be apperences by some of the SW film characters?

 

Can know one answer my question, what is the point of Darth Nihlious? (yay finished on LS yesterday)

 

Just to be one of Kriea's victims for betrayal and to be Visas's master.

 

oh...i wish there was more to him....

 

Firstly, sorry if this idea has already been mentioned.

Well, there is a lot more to Darth Nihilis. Some gamers on the Obsidian Board have pointed out that Nihilis is only pointless if you view him as a conventional character in a conventional story. But TSL is not a conventional story.

But from the start, it's made clear that Nihilis is not like your average Dark Jedi. He is so totally consumed by darkness that all he can think about is his insatiable Hunger for the Force. He no longer thinks (or speaks) like a human because he has become the literal embodiment of the darkside. He represents what happens at extreme darkness.

He was often paired with Atris in the promotional posters, etc, though the two never actually meet in-game. This is because Nihilis and Atris aren't so important as characters as in what they represent. Atris's absolute devotion to perfection and the lightside drove her insane. Together with Nihilis, the pair represent the dangers of extremes. Which is also one of Kreia's main lessons.

 

winged brings about a really good point here, i never really thought about that with nihilus, but with Atris that was the first thing i thought of; she was representative of a light side drone. Good thinkin' winged, not to mention i know that people said nihilus was really easy, but unless you fight him one on one, you can't really say so, since the game has you fight with Canderous and the third party member (for me was Visas) it's quite a bit easier than Revan vs. Malak.

 

Hello all!

I'm new to the Boards, and I actually haven't gotten KOTOR II yet. When I do get it, I'll be getting it for PC.

Quick question:

Is there a difference between PC KOTOR II and the XBox version? Supposedly you were able to go to the Outer RIm to look for Revan in the PC version. Is that true?

Thanks, and may the Force be with you!

 

Am I the only person who thought that Obsidian took all the "WE WANT MORE HK" e-mails too seriously?

 

Just going to cover some of the things I've seen pop up here and there across the many boards and websites. Some of this, I'm sure people have written about elsewhere but I'm posting around a bit anyway. Kind of to get it all in one post, and raise some questions of my own.

Mentions of KotOR 1 characters.
Aside from the obvious ones, Reven, HK-47, T3-M4, Canderous(Mandalore).. Here's what I've found regarding the other characters. On a side note, a skin of Canderous without his helmet on seems to be in the game, but I haven't toyed with it yet.

Question on Canderous/Mandalore - Why does he mention that his armor and implants are all that keeps him going sometimes, and why does Kreia refer to him being wounded by a Jedi as light side Reven, or refer to 'being left, broken' for dark side Reven?

Mission Vao & Zaalbar - Vao Armband - +1 Dex.
"Crudely carved upon this armband are the words:
-For M Vao
-Z"
Mission is kind of the wildcard since Taris was her home and that place is toast, and she had no real problems beyond her brother so no real place to end up.
Zaalbar most likely is ruling Kashyyk, or at least his tribe.

Jolee Bindo - Bindo's band, Jolee's Robe - Not much I found about what happened to Jolee other then that there are stories about him going around. Jolee really didn't have any problems, he was just kind of the "grey jedi" mentor of the group, which Kreia was for 2. It could be assumed that Jolee went back to his quiet isolation.

Juhani - Nothing. Haven't found anything regarding her, whatsoever. It can be assumed that she relocated during the evacuation of Dantooine's conclave, as explained by Handmaiden Sister's on Telos when asking them about the artifacts Atris brought with her.

Carth Onasi - Onasi Blaster - If you made Reven light side, Carth is an admiral of the Republic fleet. If Reven was Dark side, then Carth is dead(killed by Reven at the end of KotOR 1, Dark side) and only appears as a holo record when you examine T3's memory core. HK-47 also mentions a complaint he had with his "former master's" companions and plays Carth's voice saying "I can't trust you master! I can't trust anyone ever again"(or something similar). If Reven was dark side, then "Admiral Carth" is replaced by a generic admiral of the fleet.

Bastila - If Reven was Dark, Bastila has two appearences as a holo record. One is her leaving a message with T3 instead of Carth, the other is on Korriban, in the headmaster's room that you blow open with a thorium charge, there is a sith holocron with Bastila explaining Reven's decision to leave Republic space.
Bastila also has a non-speaking part in Korriban in the shyrrak cave. The first 'vision' you have when you enter the sith lord's tomb(forget what one it was, not one of the 4 from kotor 1). It's the day Malak recruited you and other Jedi to fight in the Mandalorian War. You stand between four other generic Jedi, and Bastila is on the far right. As you ask questions, the Jedi walk over to Malak's side and at the end, Bastila walks over. When/if you ask why Bastila is there, Malak explains that even though Bastila didn't join at the time of the War, she 'eventually came around to our way of thinking'.
So far, I'm not entirely sure of there's a way for Bastila to have come out as having either simply left the order or returned to the light side. So far, any mention I've seen of her, has been as if she joined the sith, regardless of Reven. One would have to ask one of the storyline devs what they intended after KotOR 1, since if you were light side there, you fought Bastila but could 'save' her.

Carth/Bastila Note: There is mix-and-match variation between these for Reven's gender. I've also heard that there's a point, light side, where Bastila will actually make an appearance and speak with Carth.

Reven has no direct part in KotOR 2. A 'vision' of Darth Reven, mask and all, fights you in the cave on Korriban, but that's it. If Reven was light side and female, Carth will ask at the end that if you should find Reven, to tell

 

Supposedly you were able to go to the Outer RIm to look for Revan in the PC version. Is that true?

That's completely false. As far as I know, the PC version has no extras, it's just been brushed up and refined a bit in places.


Question on Canderous/Mandalore - Why does he mention that his armor and implants are all that keeps him going sometimes, and why does Kreia refer to him being wounded by a Jedi as light side Reven, or refer to 'being left, broken' for dark side Reven?

The only thing I can think of is that a DS Revan wanted to go to the Outer Rim alone, and Canderous would have wanted to come along. So Revan would have manipulated Canderous's unflinching loyalty and broke his spirit, before simply commanding him to stay behind on Dxun.

An LS, it's a similar story. Revan would want to go to the Outer Rim alone, and Canderous would stubbornly refuse to stay behind. So Revan would have no choice but to abandon him on Dxun without explanation, 'wounding' the Mandalorian mentally.

No idea about the armour and implants thing.

Carth/Bastila Note: There is mix-and-match variation between these for Reven's gender. I've also heard that there's a point, light side, where Bastila will actually make an appearance and speak with Carth.

This is definitely true. I think it happens if Revan was an LS Male, and the Exile is also LS.

Sith Lords fear Mira - There's been a few boards bent solely on speculation of why this comes up. The easiest conclusion of why this is stated in the game to the point of having a seperate Mira-only enemy(hanharr) at the end of the game on Malachor V, but then never really explained in the story, is that the game rushed too much to beat christmas, sacrificing plot points for money.
In the end, there's just a vague mention that the rest of your team lives long lives, but Mira dies sometime in the relatively near future, but she does so protecting others, and it was her choice to die in that fashion. Some believe that the story of how and why she dies there and what effect it had on others would be why the Sith fear her, others have speculated that they fear her, as they fear the Exile as the teacher of the "Lost Jedi". I.E. the ones who would rebuild the Jedi Order into the Jedi of Episode 1-3 Era. Ones who aren't arrogant and secluded, but actually participate in the day to day affairs of the Republic.

Did you get the stuff about Mira's father? Kreia says at the end something like 'because of who her father was', even though this is never actually explained, nor do we discover who this father is. This is just another example of unfinished plot, and it's really frustrating.

Why Atris is Evil if she thinks she's a Jedi - In the chronicles on the website, it covers the story of how Atris who, in her arrogance, was the one who leaked the information to the Sith that a large group of Jedi was going to meet on Katarr(Visas' homeworld). She hoped to lure them to Katarr where the jedi gathered would easily defeat them. When Darth Nihilus came, he sucked the force/life/whatever out of the planet and all inhabitants except for Visas. Atris saw this and started collecting Sith holocrons in her little hidey-hole on Telos.
Her misguided attempt to learn the 'forbidden' Sith knowledge in the hopes of defeating them lead her to be consumed. Atris is also the last remaining symbol of the "flawed" Jedi Code. The whole holier-then-thou ideal, instead of the future protectors of the republic ideal. It shows in her statements of how she doesn't need help since the sith could never defeat her, since she's a 'true jedi'. So sayeth the chronicles.

Exactly. It's like I was saying before- Atris's quest for absolute LS perfection turned her arrogant and insane and isolated.

 

Sorry, but I honestly don't remember the box command to make italics for people's questions since it's been so long since I've been an active poster anywhere. I used quotation marks to seperate things a bit.


"Supposedly you were able to go to the Outer Rim to look for Revan in the PC version. Is that true?"

You can't ever go after Reven in KotOR 2. Reven was said to go beyond the Outer Rim to face the 'true sith'. The Exile is assumed to have gone to find Reven at the end of KotOR 2. The story of what happens out there is speculated to be what KotOR 3 will be about.


"The only thing I can think of is that a DS Revan wanted to go to the Outer Rim alone, and Canderous would have wanted to come along. So Revan would have manipulated Canderous's unflinching loyalty and broke his spirit, before simply commanding him to stay behind on Dxun.

An LS, it's a similar story. Revan would want to go to the Outer Rim alone, and Canderous would stubbornly refuse to stay behind. So Revan would have no choice but to abandon him on Dxun without explanation, 'wounding' the Mandalorian mentally.

No idea about the armour and implants thing."

That's about the best I can guess too, but I'm curious if 'Mandalore's armor' isn't removeable to say that he couldn't live without it, or if it's simply a plot device for those of us who eat paint chips to believe it isn't Canderous until Kreia refers to him by name in the ending sequence.


"This is definitely true. I think it happens if Revan was an LS Male, and the Exile is also LS."

I heard that's the way to get it, but my first attempt at LS Male Reven and LS Exile caught a bug. When I was killed at one point, admittedly for watching TV instead of the game, the "load last save" option actually glitched and overwrote my last save in that dead state. My auto-save slot was useless to me as well since I essentially had two games going. This one, and another with different combination of Reven/Exile.


"Did you get the stuff about Mira's father? Kreia says at the end something like 'because of who her father was', even though this is never actually explained, nor do we discover who this father is. This is just another example of unfinished plot, and it's really frustrating"

The extent of her mentioning her father was that she was a slave and her parents died on Malachor V, and if you're male and ask if you two could talk a bit, she says she has a father already, somewhere. Aside from the silliness brought on by her 'why we can't share a bunk' speech, my guess is that the "can we talk" option was linked to another influence-based plot line that wasn't finished, since otherwise the fact that the option to talk to her like that is rather pointless. There's also the Female Exile option to ask her about how she understands men, but also seems pointless beyond silly. Noticed that when asked if her parents died or not, she says "I think so." and basically that she was swept up with the rest of the refugees


"Exactly. It's like I was saying before- Atris's quest for absolute LS perfection turned her arrogant and insane and isolated."

I was curious if anyone else caught the little religion undertones. It's nothing special, but there are a few times when characters refer to jedi/sith ideas as religion and to keep it away from them. Kreia mentions jedi and sith as the extreme's of their religion. While this has no real point to anything, I just noticed it a bit and hadn't previously heard it referred to as a religion. Thought it was funny.


EDIT: I played with influence levels and talked to Mandalore. It explains his helmet, and what happened that left him 'broken'. Reven, in this save, was Dark side, Male.
Mandalore's helmet was taken by Reven at the end of the Mandalorian Wars because it was a symbol of the Mandalorians and they would have simply chosen a new leader and continued to fight. Without the helmet, the Mandalorians became demoralized and the clans scattered. After the KotOR 1 timeline, they traveled together still and eventually Reven t

 

Carth Onasi - Onasi Blaster - If you made Reven light side, Carth is an admiral of the Republic fleet. If Reven was Dark side, then Carth is dead(killed by Reven at the end of KotOR 1, Dark side) and only appears as a holo record when you examine T3's memory core. HK-47 also mentions a complaint he had with his "former master's" companions and plays Carth's voice saying "I can't trust you master! I can't trust anyone ever again"(or something similar). If Reven was dark side, then "Admiral Carth" is replaced by a generic admiral of the fleet.

Bastila - If Reven was Dark, Bastila has two appearences as a holo record. One is her leaving a message with T3 instead of Carth, the other is on Korriban, in the headmaster's room that you blow open with a thorium charge, there is a sith holocron with Bastila explaining Reven's decision to leave Republic space.
Bastila also has a non-speaking part in Korriban in the shyrrak cave. The first 'vision' you have when you enter the sith lord's tomb(forget what one it was, not one of the 4 from kotor 1). It's the day Malak recruited you and other Jedi to fight in the Mandalorian War. You stand between four other generic Jedi, and Bastila is on the far right. As you ask questions, the Jedi walk over to Malak's side and at the end, Bastila walks over. When/if you ask why Bastila is there, Malak explains that even though Bastila didn't join at the time of the War, she 'eventually came around to our way of thinking'.



I think these may be selected at random, in one of my games I said he was dark, and I still got to talk to Carth and the whole nine yards, another time I was good, and said Revan was good and it skipped it. This might have been a glitch resulted from my skipping from DS to LS then back to DS again. Some things in the game still turned out as though I was LS.

 

I can't kill Kreia. Grrrrrr.

After that, is the game over?

 

This is kind of a random question, but does anyone else think that that droid in the pazaak lounge on Nar Shadda has an extremely hot voice? Way too hot for a droid, I mean.

I noticed it on my first play-through, but it didn't really sink in until just now.

 

I think those doublemint twin bounty hunters have a hot voice.

 

Them too.

 

taling about voices...why are al the manderlorians Australian? lol