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ST Kylo Ren/Adam Driver Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Pro Scoundrel , Jan 3, 2020.

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  1. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    Folks talkin as if JJ invented the soft reboot…
     
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  2. christophero30

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    he didn't invent it he just perfected it. :)
     
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  3. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    Might be why Disney hired him.
     
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  4. dolphin

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    I forgot that Ben Solo faded away. I don't think his character earned inclusion in that very exclusive club. Also, it's a departure from the fact that it's a learned ability, and not without challenges in the learning. (of course it isn't explained how Luke discovered the ability)
     
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  5. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Luke could have learned from Obi Wan or Yoda. Who did Anakin learn to ghost from?
     
    Darth__Lobot, Jun 22, 2021
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  6. JoJoPenelli

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    Cheat code from The Maker.
     
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  7. christophero30

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    Padme ghosted him after the Jedi Temple massacre.
    ba dum tiss
     
    christophero30, Jun 22, 2021
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  8. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think I figured out why Kylo’s TLJ costume ends up being so unmemorable, aside from the fixation on exposing his face so Adam Driver can just be handsome towards the audience: I think the costume designed thought the cape would be worn much more during shooting.

    Seirously, without the cape, its just a bland, banal design that doesn’t really have any character to it; it’s like a cheap Ren-Faire costume done by Hot Topic. And it’s not like the cape adds a lot to it, but the way it hangs off the shoulders feels like it was specially made to give him a “sharper” look, and maybe make it look a bit less like he’s a top-heavy action figure.
     
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  9. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Every connection made between Kylo and Hot Topic makes me laugh. [face_laugh] I think @PendragonM had the last one.

    We just need an added line on the Ach-To Skype where he says that of course he wasn’t planning the Skype because obviously he was getting dressed for a Space Nickelback concert.
     
    anakinfansince1983 , Jun 23, 2021
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  10. sian1965

    sian1965 Jedi Master star 4

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    According to an interview with Rian Johnson, he got rid of the helmet so viewers could see AD's facial expressions; he has a talent for expressing emotions without speaking, and RJ wanted to utilise that.
     
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  11. Darth PJ

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    Ultimately I think this comes down to the overall lack of creative/visual instinct across the ST. As we've discussed before, I kind of like Kylo Ren's outfit in TFA... albeit's quite derivative of the EU... but it looks appropriately Star Wars like, and suggests something more pertaining to the past. But Kylo Ren's persona becomes pretty much dead in the water (IMO) as soon as he removes the mask. And although I understand the desire to show Driver's face, it undermine's any iconography the character could have built moving forwards. They could have at least kept the torn and tatty costume for TLJ and TROS, rather than the very nondescript black pants and boots he upgrades to (which raises the question as to 'why' the torn and tatty costume in the first place if it means nothing?), but for me the issue was with the reveal... and that being way too early in the story and in the establishment of the character.
     
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  12. godisawesome

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    So do most competent actors, frankly, and Driver didn’t really need his face exposed to act well in TFA, and when he did expose his face, it meant more and showed more in TFA than it did in TLJ.

    Johnson fundamentally didn’t give Driver a story he could really dig his teeth into. His exposed face served much more to try and cheaply play on shallower parts of the audience thinking he was cute or handsome; weirdly, he got to do a lot more in TFA even with his face covered most of the time than he got to do in TLJ. You need greater talent to act with your face covered, since it becomes about minute body language tics, and Driver, like Boyega, got to show that. And also like Boyega, the writing by Abrams and Kasdan gave him a better chance to act something worth his time in TFA when the mask did come off; his ballistic, face-contorting breakdown really highlights an unstable madman in a way that would be difficult for other actors to pull off, especially when contrasted with the crocodile tears and more restrained madness used in the scene where he murders Han.

    TFA needed someone who could act with their entire body covered, and then portray an insane degree of emotions in a terrifying manner.

    All TLJ needed was a pretty boy who could look sad.
     
    godisawesome , Jun 23, 2021
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  13. sian1965

    sian1965 Jedi Master star 4

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    Lot of contempt for AD here.
     
    sian1965, Jun 23, 2021
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  14. FromDromundKaasWithLove

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    Praise = Contempt
     
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  15. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Where?
     
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  16. sian1965

    sian1965 Jedi Master star 4

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    The constant ridicule, the sneering at his acting style, but most of all, I'm tired of being accused of racism, sexism, and being told off. I'm too old for the latter.
    I would like to say thanks Vympel, JohnWilliamsSonata and every poster who have made me smile - even those who dislike Kylo but have never resorted to nastiness, because I've enjoyed the banter, but it's time to go, I think.
    Too much hate here guys. Best wishes.
     
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  17. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah… I mean, part of my problem with Kylo is that I can tell they underestimated what Driver could do as an actor while overestimating how much him being a “Star” could carry the character.

    TLJ had Ridley carry most of the load in trying to make Kylo/Ben a sympathetic anti-hero, which was the bass-ackwards way to do it; no one could actually sell the idea of Kylo/Ben being worthy of Rey’s attention more than Adam Driver himself, but the script didn’t want to do that. It didn’t even want him to really get a that creative with the character. While TFA used Driver as the main vehicle for both the character worst and most pitiable emotional beats, TLJ relies on him being pretty and the film sacrificing everyone else to try and change the audience’s opinion.

    It’s like if you were in charge of “booking” WWE’s wrestling, and you wanted to do a worse job than Vince McMahon at pushing Roman Reigns as a face. Vince at least tried to give Roman lines to make him seem like a good dude and let him showcase his legitimate skills and growth as a wrestler against great opponents. If Rian Johnson used his formula for Kylo on Roman, you would have had Reigns still attacking faces like he had as a heel, but ordering the faces to praise and worship him and telling Roman he could only use a very basic set of moves.
     
    godisawesome , Jun 23, 2021
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  18. FromDromundKaasWithLove

    FromDromundKaasWithLove Jedi Master star 3

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    Couldn't help but notice you not providing any examples.

    Normally, I wouldn't comment on a "I'm leaving" post but I've seen you make these more than thrice in the past. Seriously, that's not an exaggeration.

    Here's one example
    I'd actually call it a pattern, especially considering that I think in some of them the circumstances were even the same: you say something accusative about some poster(s), someone asks you to back it up and you say you're leaving because people are meanies.
     
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  19. dolphin

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    There’s but so much one can do if your body is naturally injury prone. However, there are measures the Lakers organization can take to ensure AD is on the court longer. I think a change in the Lakers training staff is a step in the right direction.
     
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  20. christophero30

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    I thought it was assistant directors. They never get any credit.
     
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  21. Jedi_Fenrir767

    Jedi_Fenrir767 Force Ghost star 4

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    Just for you

    https://www.fakingstarwars.net/2017/03/28/kylo-ren-hot-topic/
     
    Jedi_Fenrir767, Jun 23, 2021
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  22. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    “No lightsabers ripping up walls. No My Chemical Romance. Nothing.” [face_rofl]

    Thank you—that made my evening.
     
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  24. PendragonM

    PendragonM Force Ghost star 4

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    Last one wasn’t me but I love the whole Kylo - Hot Topic connection too. :D
     
    PendragonM, Jun 23, 2021
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  25. Jedi_Fenrir767

    Jedi_Fenrir767 Force Ghost star 4

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    Glad to be of service!
     
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