Leia never knew Padme!!!!!!!!!!

In RotJ, when Luke asks Leia about her mom, sh says "She died when I was very young", but that she remembers what she was like.
However, it was stated (I forget where), that when the twins were born, Obi-wan gave luke to owen and leia to bail organa. This would mean that leia never knew her mom, leaving the posibility that padme could still be alive! Opinions anyone?

 

Padme went with Leia to Alderaan.

 

Yeah, we've been tossing this idea around here for a few days now, in fact, there is an identical thread around here somewhere. Anyway, with that said, I think that E3 will end with Padme still alive most likely, going into hiding w/ Leia on Alderaan.


Speaking of Alderaan, has anyone ever thought that 'the mother' Leia was talking about was her adopted mother, Bail Organa's wife ? Wasnt it said that Bail Antilles married sometime between TPM and AotC ? So maybe Padme will die, and the mother Leia remembers was in fact her adopted mother, the matriarch of Alderaan.

Thoughts.... ?

 

In RotJ Luke asks Leia, if she remembers her REAL mother. So I don't think that Leia tells him about Bail Organa's wife and she actually can remember Padmé.

 

Bail Antilles is not Bail Organa.

 

Bail Antillies was originally Bail Organa in TPM. However, Lucas shifted things around and changed the name. They'd even cast an actor and filmed scenes featuring him. But they were all left on the cutting room floor.

As for Leia knowing her mother - I don't think she did. As you may recall, she doesn't say in ROTJ she remembers seeing her.

Luke: Do you have any memories of your mother?

Leia: Not really. Mostly feelings really.

Of course, that's not exact, but a close representation of what was said. I'm betting that Padme dies in EIII. I think it may constitute a pretty big hole to leave open in the OT if she were alive.

 

What I'm saying is that padme probably didn't go to Alderaan, because the emperor would have found her easily, and leia would know about it. Besides, Padme just gave leia to Obi-wan when she was born, and didn't go with him.

 

Bail Antilles is a totally separate character from Bail Organa. Bail Organa had already been established as Leia's father and a oppponent of Palpatine so why would Lucas create Bail Antilles and then change him to Bail Organa when Organa was a character that had already been created long before TPM.

I for one believe that Padme dies.

 

Okay, here's a clincher. What if Leia WAS referring to Bail's wife as her mother. She didn't know that she was adopted until after Luke tells her that they are brother and sister and that Vader was their father. And when Luke asked about their mother she didn't say, well Bail Organa's wife loved me like a mother, but I have no memories of my real mother. She said she just had feelings and images. Does it say anywhere that Bail's wife was alive before the destruction of Alderaan. If Leia was indeed referring to Bail's wife and not her true mother, then there could be some hope that she is still alive. I think Luke should have re-asked her that question after revealing to her that Vader was her father and not Bail.

 

Of course Padme dies. She isn't in the later movies, is she?

And Leia remembers Padme in ROTJ. If she was thinking of someone else entirely, it basically ruins the entire scene and the intent behind it.

Edit : 6000th post!

 

Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

Leia: Not really. She died when I was real young.

Luke: What do you remember?

Leia: Images really. Feelings.

Luke: Tell me.

Leia: She was very beautiful, kind...yet sad.


I think that was the scene, if not then darn well close. I think that Leia did indeed know Padme but Padme does die when Leia was really young, therefore making it hard for her to remember her. *shrugs* My borrowed two cents. Can't affoard anymore of this really. Broke already.

 

Yeah, but when luke asks leia that question, she didn't lnow she was adopted, so she probably told him about bail's wife, which has been my point all along! If this is true, then it means that padme could still be alive...

 

By Joe Rev, I think your right!!

Takes theory and attempts to shove it in shredder....

never mind what I said earlier...and you didn't see me playing with my dolls again!!!

 

Where in the movies or books of the OT did it say that she didn't know? She probably knew very well that the Organas were her adopted parents and until someone has proof that she did, indeed, not know then I'm sticking to what I believe, thank you.

She knew Padme and Padme died. There.

Lol, Drk. And don't worry, I didn't see nothing

 

How do we even know that Bail Organa was married? He may simply have been a trusted friend of Obi-Wan's, as Leia indicated in ANH, who Obi-Wan left Leia with after separating him from Padme, or after Padme's death.

 

AHHA! The novel version of ROTJ by James Kahn on page 117:



He looked down at their intertwined fingers. "Leia...do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"

The question took her totaly by surprise. She'd always felt so close to her adopted parents, it was as if they were her real parents. She almost never thought of her real mother--that was like a dream.


There's written proof! I knew this book would be good for something

 

Hey, Bib, Ceewulf, thanks for clearing that whole Bail Organa / Antilles thing for me.


Rev : Good job with the RotJ quote. Looks like the issue is settled.















For now...

 

Tanks, DV *pats self on the back* Yep. Did a good job.

 

Just assume Leia remembers something of Padme from either having just been birthed or from inside the womb.

"Real young" can mean when Leia was -0.5 or 0 years old.

So if Padme dies anywhere between Leia not yet being born through normal childbirth and like 5 or 6 years old, then there's absolutely no problems. I think there's a very slim chance of that not happening.

Heck, who knows - even if one of Padme's eggs were transplanted into a petri dish with some Skywalker mojo, the will of the Force could've sent Leia visions of Padme.

So, I think from a pretty much near-infinite number of CPOV's, Leia's statement can work without problems.

 

Leia knew her, but vaguely.

Padme could still be alive, feigning her death as she had doubles all her life, but it wouldn't make sense. After Endor, wouldn't she want to see her children?
Unless she eventually remarried later and has other kids, and a different life (ala Rose in Titanic). Then she would let things lie as the kids have moved on so far from her. And they are reminders of a terrible time in her life.

It would make a fantastic story tho, with Luke being all wounded because he really wants a family, just like Anakin did, and Padme trying to justify her reasons. Could be one of the better EU books out there...

 

My theory: Padme contracts some disease or another that slowly eats away at her. Once the twins are seperated, Leia has this time to become familiar with her. While still very young, Leia's force sensitivity allows her to develop a vague image of her mother years later.

Furthermore, as a side effect of gestating in Padme's womb while she is taken ill, Leia develops a latent "prissy" side that comes out when ever she is within range of a scoundrel and Luke becomes inexplicably blind to the obvious.

~PAd

 

I really do not care what happens, what is important is that Padme dies and Leia lives on.

 

Lol, PAd. Good theory, though I think Leia's prissiness and Luke's narrow-vision is starting to fade.

 

PAd...
Don't blame Luke. I suspect it's a side-effect from people having to deal with Ric Olie. I'm sure after the Battle of Naboo, Obi-Wan made it a point to warn everyone of the dangers of pointing out the obvious and made certain that Luke lacked such skills.

So, you basically had all of these people - Obi-Wan, Darth Vader, etc. who all had to deal with the trauma of having to listen to Ric point out the obvious keeping watch over the next generation of galactic inhabitants.

I'm quite certain that the first people to die after Anakin became Darth Vader was the Olie bloodline.

 

Geez, why so harsh on good old Ric Olie? He was an important character in TPM. I mean, if he wasn't there to tell us what was going on, how would blind people enjoy the film?