Let's talk CLONE Wars...

But if you change 'machines' with 'humans', it's just natural, not perverse. The same thing can be said about machines making machines in our world. There are very few companies who make machines by hand these days.

But you have to look at it in context - the quote comes from Threepio, an intelligent machine himself, and how HE, as a droid, sees machines mass-producing other machines - he sees at as perverse, whereas we might not. However, how would we feel if living beings were mass-producing other living beings on a production line, especially if it was for military purposes? The moral issues of cloning aren't really dealt with in any depth in the movies, but the issue is still there in this very subtle and humorous way - the mass-production of living beings is morally perverse, however you may feel about individual human cloning for medical purposes. The movies show the extreme of cloning, and what happens when things like this are not regulated.

 

woops darkhelmet your right, first post i assumned they were clones but 2nd post was in regards to them being mentioned i kinda stuffed up on that point

 

yeah, I thought the Clone Wars would be sumthin' totally different.

 

Fair enough, evil_kenshin, sorry if I made too big a deal of it.

 

I've been wondering about this since I first saw AOTC and the (in my own opinion) bogus backstory regarding Boba Fett and Jango (GL was watching WAY too many gunslinging westerns when he wrote that character).

I believe it was in the Boba Fett Novels (or possibly just the Bounty Hunter novel series) that we learned of Boba Fett's real name and rank within the Mandalorian society (if memory serves he was something akin to a royal bodyguard or law-enforcer for the mandalore who had dishonored/disgraced himself in some way and was cast out of the organization and turned to a life of unscrupulous bounty-hunting because of it). It is also discussed in just about any and all EU in regards to the Fetts that their armor is that of the Mandalore, the Mandalore fought the Jedi in quite an epic battle (which I had always heard/read through the EU was part of the clone wars, but not the crux of it), and as a fanboy I was hoping to see more of this (not what GL dished up to us in the watered-down, child-friendly version of the universe he's serving nowadays).

And by the way, Darth-Amedda, you may choose not to read/explore the EU, but please don't poop on it for the rest of us. Quite a few good stories worth reading in there that any and all true Star Wars fans should at least familiarize themselves with (or be open to).

 

I agree with that. Jango was badly written, and the fact of Boba being Jango's clone diminishes the character a little.

Sure, we're speculating a lot on things Lucas might or might never have said, but a fallen warrior or at least the natural son of a great one would make more sense for a character such as Boba Fett.

Also, as deckyrd says, there are some really good stories and characters we owe to the Expanded Universe; and even though people don't like to see it, it is part of the Star Wars Universe. One simple example: Zhan was the first one to call the Imperial capital Coruscant. Until Heir to the Empire, Coruscant was simply referred to as Imperial City.

That's just a small example. Stories such as the Thrawn trilogy and characters such as Thrawn himself should be canon, and in my opinion all this material is what made Lucas decide he will never make Episodes 7 through 9, so as not to invalidate stories fans are fond of.

 

Thanks, Compa!

And I must, in turn, agree with you. Over on the 3SA spoilers board people keep talking about things like lightsaber colors being determined by what kind of crystals are inside the lightsaber, which is (strictly speaking) nothing but EU. The whole concept of a holocron was first introduced in the EU during Dark Horse's "Tales of the Jedi" series, and now people are openly speculating that Palpatine has one in EIII (as well as some sort of Jedi Power Crystal, which is also nothing but EU).

I've heard mixed things about it, but if you head over to www.supershadow.com you can read some supposed plot summaries of episodes 7-9 which take place long enough after the Thrawn trilogy that they COULD be made into films (whether or not it'll actually happen is another issue).

All in all, Star Wars fans, whether they like it or not, owe a lot of what they love about the films to the EU and Lucas's validation of much of it, which is why I don't feel bad quoting it regularly and openly.