ST Lightsaber Combat in the ST

Well, yeah, I would argue that's ultimately why the Dark Side isn't the way to pursue the Force. As Yoda says, it's quicker and easier to tap into your anger to make you feel powerful, but it's hard to sustain for very long (because it's an emotion that's inherently temporary) and unbalances you while you are, for want of a better word, intoxicated.

I think that may be where they're going with Kylo in the ST. He murders his father and you can see he almost expects to feel powered up in that moment, but I don't think he feels any different. As we move forward, I think we might see Kylo haunted by that moment and being sad about killing his father instead of revelling in his hatred for himself (rather like Vader hated himself for what happened to Padme). It would be neat if that was Han's legacy moving forward, that by touching his son's cheek and forgiving Ben, he essentially robbed Kylo of his hatred and guilt, emotions that were supposed to fuel his Dark Side.

 

Well said redxavier

 

Hm... It wouldn't surprise me if Kylo has visions of Han's death similar to those that Anakin has about Padmé. Instead of being haunted by the possibility that the visions will come true, he is haunted by what has happened and how it affects him.

 

Hmm. You know something? The more I watch the teaser for the "The Last Jedi", the more I wonder if Rey indeed channeled some darkside energy in the last moments of the duel. Daisy has a pretty menacing face: gritted teeth and ferocity. Not to mention she has a look of almost enjoying the moment. Was that intentional? Who knows...

But this teaser could already be telling something... Or perhaps nothing.

 

According to the novelization, she was on the edge, but backed off before the chasm separated her from Kylo Ren. It'll be interesting to see how the movie plays or messes with that.

 

In the movie, it appears at least very likely that Rey might satisfy her righteous fury before fate intervened. There's no indication that she caught herself and backed off before the collapse of the planet separated them.

 

I'm just going to break down the fourth wall and discuss it from a non-fantasy stand point. I think it's important to note that this gif is slowed down compared to real time of the scene, and that is going to make choreography appear more like choreography. As for all three attacking the blade at the same (sorry, can't find the gif at the moment) that was very much rehearsed.

Why do they chose the choreography that they did? They are coordinating eight people flying around with sticks, two of which are very heavily insured actors. They chose things that would look good at full speed while minimizing injuries.

 

Thanks, TCF-1138!

 

I just realized that the only lightsaber duel in ST/Anthology was Kylo vs Rey/Finn in TFA.

 

Acknowledged and understood. I appreciate what it is that I suspect you are attempting to accomplish with this post, but the explanation provided does not impact my opinion. I am quite underwhelmed by the results, regardless of what logistical considerations determined the circumstances that influenced the final product.

 

This.Its really the only fight that qualifies as an actual lightsaber duel.Unless a fight has lightsabers clashing with lightsabers,then it is NOT a lighsaber duel!

Speaking of which and im sure it been mentioned many times on the forum but since im here,the duel at the end of TFA was the point that i knew that i REALLY hated the film.It was absolutley ludicrous that Rey,with no lighsaber training whatsoever,would last any more than a few seconds against a trained former Jedi like Kylo.Yes, i know they tried to justify it with Kylos injury ( Him surviving this was ludicrous enough ) but im sorry it didnt make the fight any less ridiculous.Rey was the strong female lead and they had to have her win because....feminsim i guess?

Look at it this way,if Luke had gotten into a full on lightsaber fight with Vader in ANH,how long would he have lasted? Exactly.

Having said that,i do think the praetorian guard fight in TLJ was pretty awesome.

 

I don't understand about the common interpretation of Kylo's injury making him weaker. Wouldn't his pain and his anger have amplified his strength through the Dark Side?

 

He got shot by Chewies bowcaster which is shown earlier in the film to basically be a grenade launcher.Putting aside the craziness that Kylo is still breathing,let alone walking and fighting,he is clearly shown to be badly bleeding.This was clearly done by the filmakers to make it seem that Rey and Finn would actually have a fighting chance against him in a duel.

 

OK; so... why is he hitting himself, then? I assumed he was hitting himself to enhance his pain so that pain would feed his strength. I must have really mis-interpreted this scene, I guess...

I was under the impression that part of embracing the dark side was that your anger, fear, hatred and other "negative" emotions feed your strength. I thought Kylo's strength would be enhanced by his injury, the pain of having killed his father and his hatred of Finn, the traitor... All of this should have made him stronger, not weaker.

Did the filmmakers deliberately ignore this or were they oblivious to the this dynamic of the dark side?

 

I always interpreted it as he was trying to do anything to tap into the dark side at that moment, but the fact he was bleeding out and injured was a bigger factor in that moment. And that is why he was the weaker opponent in that battle.

And then there was the niggling light side still pulling at him after his father's death. So yeah, a lot of darkness getting negated by fatigue, a major blaster wound and the lightside. The filmmakers didn't ignore force lore. There were other factors in play.

 

Apparently, I'm not the only one with this interpretation...

 

Good spectacle, low risk with this type of choreography. It would be a disaster and weeks lost had Daisy or Adam broken a hand in the melee. And it is hard wrangling 8 people with swinging sticks and make sure no one gets hurt in the process.

 

Basically every single action movie is concerned about the safety of its stars. Many, many movies have had 8 or many more combatants fighting at the same time.

It's a weak excuse.

 

I’ve noticed

I love R1, but I was initially skeptical due to the lack of Jedi/lightsaber dueling. With Solo, I’d accepted it but I still can’t understand LF’s strategy with the anothologies. Nor can I understand producing a saga film without a real lightsaber duel. You take Jedi out of SW, you take dueling force users out of SW, and all that’s left is generic sci-fi. Generic sci-fi movies don’t make $1 billion so I don’t get it.

 

I did not like the movie but I dare to say that this was certainly not bad. Maybe not perfect but not bad.

This was bad (especially Master Obesity in the middle):

However it was so colorful and action packed that I actually see it as one of my favorite scenes (the whole sequence)

I think "bad" is a bit different than "bad or not perfect after reviewing and analyzing it 1138 times"