"Lightsaber of Truth thread" Ask Charlemagne19 for an explanation of any EU question!

I'm afraid I don't have a LoT myself, but I can try aswering the last part:
The Jedi policies shifted a lot during the years, what we know is that during the Clone Wars, the council bacame rather lax in it's interpretation of the code. Quinlan Vos never hid his relationship with Kathleen. Tholme and T'raa Shaa also did very little to hide there affection for each other. Kit Fisto and Aayla Secura were also begining to deepen their relationship, perhaps the best example of the wartime stress you refered to. And of course, Anakin. As Obi-Wan said: "Every padawan on Coruscant knows where to find you!"...


/Charlii

 

Why in COPL, Luke was saved by the Force from death ? While all jedi, including his father never had that luxury. Was it because he still had a purpose to do like creating the Jedi Order ?

The symbolic "ressurection" of Luke Skywalker is most likely not a literal ressurection by the Force. Instead, it was probably more like a near-death experience for Luke Skywalker where he managed to enter a Force trance at the last minute and came perilously close to death. The possibility that Luke might have gained great strength from coming within a hair's breadth of "becoming one with the Force" is a worthy conjecture but it's also possible it merely motivated him to use his powers to their maximum effectiveness for a short while. Much like on Mimban, Luke was close to death (legally dead is a good term for it) but not totally so as to flee his body. It is also possible that Luke Skywalker, by his devotion to life, unconciously knows techniques for "cheating" death. In West End Games, it has been clarrified that there is a ability known as "Reduce Injury" that allows a mortal wound to be reduced to a eternal scar of some kind. It is stated that this is one of the reasons Darth Vader was able to survive so incredibly long despite his condition.

Thus far in the Star Wars universe, the only people ever to come literally back from the dead into a physical body is Emperor Palpatine and Marcus Ragnos.

here's a question -- if Tatooine is suposed to be so dry, how come we see clouds in the air? All that moisture shouldn't be hanging around, should it?

As stated, Tatooine isn't completely dry and has a breathable surface plus wild plants and animals. Whatever disaster befell Tatooine may have removed MOST of the water from the planet (or possibly forced it deep underground) but certainly not all of it. The greatest cause of the dead is mostly the profound lack of plant life (yet certainly enough to have wild creatures live around like the ones we see crawling around the crags in speeder/pod race scenes or outside Jabba's palace). Tatooine, while possessing no oceans per say, is actually much more akin to a 'normal' desert in our world where it will often rain and have brief flooding and it has been stated such to be the case. As stated earlier, it's hardly Arrakis.

If this seems strange due to our understanding of science, it's important to note in Star Wars that many unknown factors give rise to improbable happenings that we must simply assume are there.

 

*stares at Lightsaber of Truth* Pretty...

It comes in green, blue, red, and Silly Rabbit Nebula Disco Ball Effect.

Okay, Charlemagne, let me throw a handful of questions at you...

Okay day.

Firstly, at the beginning of the Prequel Trilogy, there are ten thousand Jedi. How many are Masters and how many are Knights? Also, the apprentices were not (I assume) counted among the ten thousand, since they weren't full Jedi. How many apprentices were there? How many were knighted every year?

The Ten Thousand Jedi of the Galactic Republic are all Jedi Knights and do not include apprentices. It's important to note that the title of Jedi Master is one that doesn't supercede the title of Jedi Knight also and Jedi Masters are still Knights (just a personal bug). We have no current records of how many Knights were masters but given that the title of Jedi Master was only rarely awarded for exemplary valor (like Joruus C'boath's battle with Dark Siders that ironically must have come from Bssaph before the time Yoda put them down according to the essential Chronology) and most often was instead accorded like Taoist Sages by teaching on what they have learned. That means that at the maximum, half the Jedi were Masters and given many were taken to 3 to 5 padawans in their lifetime (according to what we've witnessed with Barris Offee and Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knighthood is rarely awarded save after at least ten years of training and often 15). This number is likely half or a third of that number but rarely over given most species of the galaxy seem to be about human age limits with only a few drastically off-setting this such as Yoda. By the process of elimination thus we can presume that there was probably an average of 2500 to 3000 or so Masters in the Jedi Order with my estimation on the low run.

Calculating how many apprentices there are is more difficult. Largely we must assume there's enough to maintain equilibrium with the number of Jedi killed and dying of natural causes (Jedi living to the maximum of their lifetimes usually) but not enough to really grow. The number of the Bear Clan was only six or so but assuming 6 or so in each age group til 14 we only get 84 and that's far too low even if most Jedi live to be a 140. We must thus assume there are many such 'clans' and about a hundred (give or take) is there every year to graduate and go onto be apprentices then knights with give or take about 20 or so probably per year and all of it averaging about. This is keeping with the fact that it seems a fairly constant struggle to find enough force sensetives to take that are within their stringent requirements.

There were also other training academies....both on Ossus and Bssaph.

How high can an average Jedi jump, how much more if he were especially skilled at the technique, and how high can Luke jump?

Luke's jump in the Empire Strikes Back I'd wager is about nine feet from the ground (still above the world record by far) and my guess is that much beyond is really going into the area of telekinetically "pushing" yourself off the ground rather than empowering yourself. If we assume that a Jedi wishes to do that, then the number is theoretically limitless. Luke Skywalker's disbelief that Jedi can fly is really a matter of his own opinion on what flying is (being a pilot) rather than what the Jedi can actually do. Mace Windu's ability to telekinetically "leap" is about three hundred feet in the air and over half a mile in length and I imagine that even further is infinitely possible.

As in the words of Yoda "No different, only different in your mind."

The Old Jedi Order disapproved of romantic relationships. Did they also disapprove of filial/fraternal ones? Wouldn't padawans and Masters tend toward parent/child affection for each other, and wouldn't fraternal bonds develop between Jedi who worked together closely, especially if they went into danger? Many who fight wars tell of the quick, close friendships they developed with those they hunkered in a fo

 

This is totally random, but what color is Kyp Durron's lightsaber and where do they state it? What is your speculation on either upcoming Star Wars TV show? What is your speculation on Legacy of the Force? And in SbS how did Anakin, while going down in his blaze of glory, manage to clearly feel the Vong in the force when the Vong had been stripped of it? I didn't think it was possible to feel them normally in the Force untill they were restored to it.

 

This is totally random, but what color is Kyp Durron's lightsaber and where do they state it?

Kyp?s original light saber was red in JAT. Later, in the Jedi Academy comic books where they slew a Sith Leviathan, Kyp was wielding a blue light saber. This probably signified his rebuilding his light saber as a testament to his abandonment of Kun?s teachings.

What is your speculation on either upcoming Star Wars TV show?

Most likely the story will center around the period between Star Wars Episode III and Star Wars Episode IV. While guest appearances by Ewan McGreggor might be possible, Darth Vader will no doubt show up a lot. Other guest characters from ?Boba fett? (Morrison or mask) and Bail Organa/Mon Mothma etc are likely to appear as well. Most likely it will deal with a small band of characters struggling to make their way in the universe in the rising shadow of Palpatine. Eu references will be largely limited to cameos I think.

What is your speculation on Legacy of the Force?

Lumiya?s appearance is all but confirmed but given it?s a 9 volume story I imagine it will largely be a conflict with less grandiose appearance than the previous volumes as it will time skip ahead some hundred years after the deaths of most of the cast (nonviolently).

And in SbS how did Anakin, while going down in his blaze of glory, manage to clearly feel the Vong in the force when the Vong had been stripped of it? I didn't think it was possible to feel them normally in the Force untill they were restored to it.

Anakin Skywalker was dying at the time and was connected to the Force at a primal level. Most likely he saw the Yuuzhan Vong?s minute Force traces with his far enhanced vision. It is possible that Jacen Solo survived what Anakin was killed by in The Unifying Force.

 

Durron's saber wasn't red in JAT, it was a purple. Still violet in Ruin.

Pah, so much for your Hasbro stick, Charlemagne.

 

http://www.moseisley.com/mos/pics/oldnews/wf209.jpg

Looks Blue to me.

It's also possible Kyp loses his saber and gets it replaced regularly.

But I'm afraid your lack of faith is disturbing to me.

*stormtroopers stuff Excellence in a landspeeder trunk*

Nothing to see here folks, move along. Move along.

Perhaps, err...purple is made up of red.

;-)

 

Charlemagne19:

The symbolic "ressurection" of Luke Skywalker is most likely not a literal ressurection by the Force. Instead, it was probably more like a near-death experience for Luke Skywalker where he managed to enter a Force trance at the last minute and came perilously close to death. The possibility that Luke might have gained great strength from coming within a hair's breadth of "becoming one with the Force" is a worthy conjecture but it's also possible it merely motivated him to use his powers to their maximum effectiveness for a short while. Much like on Mimban, Luke was close to death (legally dead is a good term for it) but not totally so as to flee his body. It is also possible that Luke Skywalker, by his devotion to life, unconciously knows techniques for "cheating" death.


Very nice response, C! I too have always believed that Luke never actually died, but that he was very near death. You've explained this very well.

Great thread, C! Your answers are intelligent and thoughtful, but also often very entertaining. Keep up the good work!

 

Um, I'm pretty sure when they say that the Legacy era will last 100 years, that's their subtle way of saying that it will go on indefinitely beyond the 9-book series, not that the series will actually cover 100 years.

Unless you've seen something I haven't.

 

Oh, I heard that it was a 9 book series that would end at 100 years afterwards.

 

I'm pretty sure it's just the era that goes on that long. It'd be tough to go that far into the future without having to nail down a lot of history, especially the final fates of the big three.

 

You said JAT, Charlemagne, not Leviathan.

 

I'm not really sure what you guys are discussing as far as Kyp's saber goes, but I saw a pic from the NJO Sourebook today that I thought I'd toss in there.

[image=http://www.wizards.com/starwars/images/njo_gallery/88658_620_08.jpg]

 

You said JAT, Charlemagne, not Leviathan

I have no memory of this.

GADZOOKS! WARU HAS MY ACCOUNT!

There are no contradictions and I'm always right but if I were possibly "not as right as I normally am" from a "certain point of view" then I'm grateful for your correction Excellence.

 

Charlemagne: Kyp?s original light saber was red in JAT. Later, in the Jedi Academy comic books where they slew a Sith Leviathan, Kyp was wielding a blue light saber. This probably signified his rebuilding his light saber as a testament to his abandonment of Kun?s teachings.

Aust cosmetic TV advertising would have you believe there are seven signs of aging. But the only sign of excellence comes from another's error. Don't worry, NEGTC said Jade's Empire-years saber was purple (it was in Mysteries of the Sith 6yrs later) but her comic at Endor was red.

Cooper, that sketching is so brief and Luke-like I'm fortitude saving right away.

 

CooperTFN

Um, I'm pretty sure when they say that the Legacy era will last 100 years, that's their subtle way of saying that it will go on indefinitely beyond the 9-book series, not that the series will actually cover 100 years.

I think you're right, Cooper. I believe the 9 book series is supposed to cover about 5 years, but then the Legacy of the Force era will still continue after that. It's rather like the New Republic era lasted from the end of RotJ until the beginning of the NJO though it included many different series. At least, that's how I think it's supposed to work.

 

Child of Winds, your shortest post ever!

 

Yes, you're exactly right ChildOfWinds. They didn't want to set a concrete end date for the Legacy era, so they just set the era between "40 years and 100+ years ABOY." It's just another way for them to say, "We don't know when this SW era will end, but it'll sure be a while."


EDIT: Which now that I look (again), is exactly of what CooperTFN just said.

 

Well I'm not spoiled on their content so it was largely guessing anyway.

In any case, the lightsaber of truth is now directly plugged into a nuclear reactor and ready once more to answer questions with 100% guaranteed accuracy or Excellence will sick a blue furred ewolk on me....

and he hasn't been fed.

 

Lightsaber, Lightsaber
On the temple wall
Who's the fairest of them all?

 

Nomi Sunrider

Why is Nomi Sunrider the perfect EU girl? The wonderful art of the final issues of the original Tales of the Jedi artwork made her distinctly different from "Redheaded lightsaber wielding babe" (til she became such) and she is one of the few EU girls that actually GASP has BROWN hair. Aside from Leia, there's a distinct shortage of them.

Other candidates include...

Winter

For the platnium blonde set, the statuesque heroine of the X-wing books (who appears identical to Leia there) is another favorite of the folks here. Its now a major question in McEwolkdom if that means she's Sabe's daughter.

Aalya Secura

May have an edge on all of them since she's the EU girl who became a real girl ;-)

 

The "Star Wars Tales" used to be Infinities. Now they've taken to a "the-ones-everyone-likes-are-canon" policy with them.

I can't seem to find a list of which "Tales" stories are canon, and which are Infinities. Can the saber point me into the right direction with this one, or perhaps give me a list of ones considered canon?

Thanks again!

 

The "Star Wars Tales" used to be Infinities. Now they've taken to a "the-ones-everyone-likes-are-canon" policy with them.

I can't seem to find a list of which "Tales" stories are canon, and which are Infinities. Can the saber point me into the right direction with this one, or perhaps give me a list of ones considered canon?

Alright!

1. Darth Vader's encounter with the Dark Woman.
2. Darth Vader and C3PO on Bespin
3. Darth Vader's duel with Darth Maul
4. Boba Fett's wife Sintas and he protect the location of their child.
5. Aurra Sing fighting Qui Gon Jinn and Obi Wan Kenobi
6. Palpatines Sith ritual (visionaries)
7. The Grevious accident (visionaries)
8. Luke fighting that droid on Dagaboh
9. Leia's first meeting with Palpatine

Your best source for reference is "The Ultimate Guide to Star Wars" which should contain all you need.

In general, the new policy is that Infinities will be clearly marked while canon will be marked in future comics. Furthermore, pretty much every tale that didn't contradict obvious truths (Wedge and Luke vs. The Executor post endor) and comedy is going to be brought into continuity with time.

 

I have two questions that bug me a lot.

1. What the heck was wrong with Vader on Mimban? Not only was he acting almost totally out of character; he came within a hairsbreadth of losing his life to one barely trained boychild, one completely untrained girl, and their Jedi spirit friend who had barely been able to hold his own against Vader in the flesh. What caused this?

2. How exactly did Fenn Shysa save Boba Fett from "certain death", and how did Boba Fett come to gain the title of Mandalore?

I realize that either of these questions may be unanswerable except by speculation; no source I've heard of answers the second one.

 

I have two questions that bug me a lot.

That's what I'm here for...

1. What the heck was wrong with Vader on Mimban? Not only was he acting almost totally out of character; he came within a hairsbreadth of losing his life to one barely trained boychild, one completely untrained girl, and their Jedi spirit friend who had barely been able to hold his own against Vader in the flesh. What caused this?

What's wrong with Vader in retrospect is actually fairly easy to understand.

Vader has no idea what the hell is going on. Allow me to give a little retcon supposition for you ala Rod Sterling.

Consider Darth Vader at the time of Splinter of the Mind's Eye

Darth Vader is aware that Luke Skywalker is the individual who destroyed the second Death Star. However, this is a man whom has lived with 20 years of guilt over killing his own wife and child(ren). Darth Vader is furthermore a man whom deals with the realities of cloning, Sith trickery (which he employed himself against Luke Skywalker by creating a fake Obi Wan Kenobi) that could be by an insane master, and a swath of enemies that might either wish to impersonate the heir of Anakin Skywalker or use his old identity against him. He's successfully killed Obi Wan Kenobi at this point so he has a fairly good idea that this boy is the real thing. His own flesh and blood, the child of the woman who betrayed him but he still loved, hidden away from him by the man who used to be his closest friend.

What do you say to the man? Even then, he's not SURE.

Darth Vader's reaction here on Mimban is the typical example of "tough love." Darth Vader is testing Luke Skywalker in a way that he naturally should have on Bespin but he doesn't. Were you taught how to be a Jedi Knight by Obi Wan Kenobi? Did he tell you that I murdered your mother? Do you even know that I am Anakin Skywalker? How progressed are you? Do you know that these used to be my old droids (Darth Vader has the curious bit of serendipity that he has the 'off' codes for both of them)? He thus handles things much like he handled them in ESB. Vader pursues Luke Skywalker relentlessly then confronts him in a lightsaber duel before attempting to disable him (he may have accidentally been a little 'too' rough but Luke's 'death' is something Vader probably knew he could survive).

Furthermore, Vader is completely off his game. Aside from not knowing how to deal with his own son...alive....(if he's really his son) and having all these questions, Vader's own emotional armor is severely cracked in a way that's not yet fully dealt with. Would his master demand he kill his son? Would Luke try to kill him? Could he bring himself to kill him? I don't think he'd resolved himself to bring his son over to the Dark Side yet. Vader's blackness has always hid a torrent of contradictory emotions that he's only become better at hiding.

As for how Luke Skywalker beat him, in this case it was the surprise of Obi Wan Kenobi's possession (Vader knows nothing of Force ghosts) and also the fact that even if he wanted to fight full out against Obi Wan Kenobi (who was also able to hold his own against Vader). Obi Wan is in the body of his son. Vader isn't very good at fighting to disable and he wasn't yet content to maim his son either (not that maiming Obi Wan in a 'Prime of his life' Anakin Level Force Power body would be easy). Combined with Obi Wan probably fully intending to kill Vader and the power of the Kaliburr crystal, I have no doubt that it was a score for Obi Wan.

2. How exactly did Fenn Shysa save Boba Fett from "certain death", and how did Boba Fett come to gain the title of Mandalore?

I realize that either of these questions may be unanswerable except by speculation; no source I've heard of answers the second one.

Fenn Shysa saved Boba Fett from some killers (probably still believing erroneously that this Fett was the same that had been his comrade and arms) before Boba Fett took the position of leader by the oldest method available in Mandalorians, kil