Lucasarts please hear me out. It's about time you make a good SW game!

I also thought KOTOR and KOTOR were very similar to the original SW films. Especially with the "I am your father" twist KOTOR has. I laughed everytime they tried to do a copy of a SW movie scene because it was so badly done.

 

I agree with whoever posts next.

 

KOTOR is great game, and I'm awesome and so is Flare!

 

Precisely. How's to say Star Wars 4 was original itself? And if it took seeing a female leading the escape over the usual man to shock a country, then

If only you knew how much '70s Doctor Who is in Star Wars. Monster of Peladon is where Vader came from. And the Cerean specie from another; even the energy field of the Force, perhaps.

 

guys, guys! we are talking about video game chains here. Lucasarts has used the name "star wars" in all its titles to attract star wars fans like us. But what do they guve us? crap! games that resemble star wars the movies, but not entirely. they have to change things around to not make it obivious, much like KOTOR. clearly KOTOR became a great game not because it can stand on its own, but because it took an already set fanbase and used it to sell the game, and in it, including all the elements of star wars. change a few characters, the locations and wham you got a different game! but still based entirely on the OT video games. ITS WRONG! WRONG, WRONG!

stop all this nonsense already and give us a much waited, anticipated, real game based on the films. ROTS was good, but limited and the point of view was crap! sideway VIEW? COME ON! this aint super mario anymore!


and I want to thank grievous for his empire strikes back description of what could be a great game, if done well. so far this is what we have and its to continue. like I said if anyone at lucasarts want to hire me as an advicer im readily available!

A new hope.


Star wars introduction and pan down.
The game starts off inside the blockade runner. You start playing darth vader as he goes into the ship with the stormtroopers and he ignites his lightsaber and begins to hunt the rebels on the ship(thats not in the movie) object is to find princess leia and arrest her, you could also play as a stormtrooper.

(add some movie scenes here)

Next you would play as artoo or c3po as they fall on tattoine and the object here is to find the sandcrawler. You would walk thru the desert, meet jawas and creatures along the way and interact like you do in KOTOR with other characters.

(add some movie scenes here)

in the next level You would be playing a jawa driving the sandcrawler thru the dunes and find luke's homestead. next you would get off the crawler meet luke and uncle owen. In this mode of the game you have to bargain with owen for the droids prices. setting up bids and offerings until you get what you want for them.

(add some movie scenes here)

once the droids are sold, you would play as luke skywalker. You could roam around the homestead, talk to uncle owen or aunt beru and interact with them. The game would have to duplicate the homestead inside and out on a 3rd person view.

(add some movie scenes here)

In the next level, you would have to get on your speeder with C3po and go find artoo in the dune sea. once you find him, you meet obiwan kenobi.

(add some movie scenes here)

In the next level, the objective is to find chewbacca and the cantina on tattoine. and unlike any other games, I never played a game where the cantina was duplicated to the movie specifications. once inside the cantina you could talk to all those famous aliens we all remember from a new hope and ask them questions on how to find chewbacca.

(add some movie scenes here)

from there the training starts, in this part of the game(very important level) you would have to have at least 8 hours of training on the milleniun falcon before you can move on. like in Kotor you could talk to han solo, chewie, obi wan and everyone in the ship, move around etc. Then finally get captured by the death stars ray and board the death star.

(add some movie scenes here)

This would be the best level of the game. the death star duplictated to specific film layouts. dressed as a stormtrooper you could get into an elevator and go to one of the many floors. move around freely around it, meet people, and not get caught. playing as luke skywalker. han solo and chewie are with you. You could go to the hangar and many places without any restrictions.
object here of course is to find the princess and run back to the millenium falcon. swinging across the bridge. very exciting!

(add some movie scenes here)

finally, the flying mode would come into hand here, where you run the trench and destroy the death star, as luke skywalker. If they dont want to do thi

 

Dude, you so have not played KOTOR.

And most games rip off good ideas from other games, so what is your point?

 

Mariah! ha! I've played it two times! dark side and good side.

 

Only two times? Heh!

 

Yeah the first one, Im playing other games as well. I have the entire star wars games collection on Xbox. I have obi-wan, jedi starfighter 1 and 2, kotor, ROTS, clone wars, battlefront, Commando, etc.

for the PS2 I have the original TPM game, based on the movie! great game. racer, etc. for gamecube, Rogue squadron 1 and 2, boba fett bounty hunter. etc.


I have all the supernintendo titles, the original nintendo NES game. star wars and the original ESB atari and star wars jedi. with the ball and the two lightsabers on the sides. N64 battle of naboo and racer, great games.

reason I play games is because im a star wars fan, and I want to re-live the movies. And when rogue squadron two included the 3 arcade version in their nintendo it was aswome!

But to this day the best star wars games I ever played were based on the films. like the orignial nintendo and the supernintendo games. and The Phantom Menace. For attack of the clones they did crap! we didnt get no game based on the film, other than flying a jedi starfighter as adi gallia. pfffttt!

 

First of all, Bounty Hunter is based off of Jango, not Boba. Secondly, I think it should be painfully obvious to you by now that the majority of the people here seem to want new and original stories. Why would we need or want to play the same story that we've seen dozens of times before? We're all sick of it. I honestly don't know how many times I've flown down the Death Star trench or fought in the Battle of Hoth. It's been done to DEATH. If you want to play it again, go ahead, by all means. You listed an impressive collection of Star Wars games. I'm sure you can play those parts on 2 or 10 of them. I hear a lot of people complain about how many Mario games there are. Or how he hasn't done anything new in years. That's how I feel about Star Wars games right now. (With the exception of KOTOR). It's all just "same ol, same ol".

You say that one of your favorite SW games is Phantom Menace. I'm afraid that you'll most likely again find yourself in the minority here. Most people I've talked to hated that game. The problem with games based on movies is that, for the most part, you know exactly what's going to happen. I'm not saying that every game should have an Earth shattering revolution, a la KOTOR, but sometimes it's fun to hold a few surprises back. Especially for things that are as story heavy as the Star Wars universe is.
P.S. - There was an Attack of the Clones game released for GBA. But, surprise it's a fairly mediocre game at best.

 

LucasArts uses Star Wars because they own the rights to it and it's pretty much the biggest franchise in the gaming-world. They add stories to the expanded universe, just like the books and countless other things do, but I guess that's beyond your level...

It's quite funny that in your opinion some of the best games ever made are "crap", while you consider one of the absolut worst games LucasArts has ever done (TPM) as good. To me, there is only one point in time where LucasArts really dropped the ball and that was around 1999. The TPM-games really aren't even close to the games done before and after that.

KOTOR wasn't a success because of Star Wars, it would have been one without it. It had a great story, something that can be done outside of Star Wars as well. It had perhaps the best sound quality of all games, not to forget the most dialog ever recorded for a game. In addition to that came close to perfect gameplay.
KOTOR would have had no problem whatsoever to stand on its on.

Not to insult you, but this is bs. You act like there shouldn't be any new stories in Star Wars, but it's not your decision at all!
Luckily Lucas decided not to be so narrow-minded as he made another five movies instead of doing the same thing every time...

 

Starwarsagent,

I quite honestly think you've mislabeled this thread. Or at the very least, do not understand how much time, effort, and love goes into a product, whether it is for a computer or a console setup.

Having learned from experience in dabbling in programming (back in 1983 on a Commodore 64); having the experience of having a been in a band that didn't get far, (as far as the creativity, working with other people for creative ideas), having worked for a former Fortune 500 computer company, and seeing the politics involved on examining trends (through my musical experiences; and seeing what Gateway was doing from 2001+); you're asking a lot.

You're asking LucasArts to change their focus to go back to material that has been pretty much been a selling item since the inception of the company. There is a built in audience for what they produce. I personally do not want to replay every single OT movie again. I did that with the Super Star Wars games. I don't think they need to be updated.

You need to understand, that the vast majority of us (whether console or computer) are beyond the OT and are PT/EU.

I might add, that LucasArts did drop the ball on KoToR2. Again, it's from my experience with Gateway. They rushed it out for a 'deadline.'

Unless you do something like they guys who created "Lego Star Wars", which I think is a really cute game, and *gasp* I was immersed with as far as getting into the PT, maybe go petition them. THAT I think would be fun.

I guess I've said enough.

 

yes lando I read the reviews about TPM menace for the original playstation. they said it was horrible. well, critics usually are wrong. As a fan of star wars, and only star wars. (note I dont play any other games)

TPM was a great game for many reasons. You could play as mace windu, plo koon, Qui-gon Jinn, Obi-Wan. And it also followed the movie very closely. At times even going to Otoh Gunga to rescue Jar Jar, the game was beautiful and exciting, just like the movie. and it followed it closely. The naboo level was very well done and you could interact with other characters much like you do in KOTOR, actually thats where KOTOR makers got their idea from. about having the character talk and showing the text below. The graphics were very andvanced and the jedi and people in the game looked very good beyond the playstation one capabilities.


about the Expanding universe, OISSAN I just want to say this, instead of expanding to other areas of star wars FIRST DO A GOOD GAME BASED ON STAR WARS, THE FILMS. THEN MOVE ON TO EXPANDING THE UNIVERSE AND THE CHARACTERS. DONT MAKE UP NEW ONES.

EXPAND ON CHARACTERS THAT WERE IN THE FILMS. HAVE A GAME ON HAN SOLO'S ADVENTURES (THE BOOK) A GAME ABOUT CHEWIE AND HIS WORLD(AS SEEN IN ROTS) HAVE A GAME ABOUT DARTH VADER HUNTING THE JEDI DOWN. ETC. EXPAND ON THE CHARACTERS WE ALREADY KNOW AND MAKE THEIR OWN STORIES ABOUT THEM.

JANGO FETT BOUNTY HUNTER WAS GOOD, EXPOSING PARTS OF HIS LIFE WE DIDNT SEE IN AOTC.

GET THE IDEA NOW? OR WILL THIS DEBATE BE ONGOING?


sKIPPI, NICE TO HEAR FROM A PROFESSIONAL.

Unless you do something like they guys who created "Lego Star Wars", which I think is a really cute game, and *gasp* I was immersed with as far as getting into the PT, maybe go petition them. THAT I think would be fun.

I think that fans have become acustomed to playing games based on other aspects of star wars that they have forgotten the basics of video games. they are supposed to be fun, fast and cool. Not boring and ongoing like KOTOR and dwelling on story. KOTOR seems too much like star trek and has lost the elements of star wars fun and action and funny moments. like han solo shooting at stormtroopers in a new hope or luke skywalker swinging across the death star void.

You're asking LucasArts to change their focus to go back to material that has been pretty much been a selling item since the inception of the company. There is a built in audience for what they produce. I personally do not want to replay every single OT movie again. I did that with the Super Star Wars games. I don't think they need to be updated.





I do think that lucasarts needs to update their super nintendo games and create a totally new, exciting video game, each one based on a film, from episode 1 to episode 6.

and im telling you everyone in this board will go buy them and play them. there are kids out there that have never played a star wars game based entirely on the films.

hope you get what im saying.

SWA.

 

I think that you are combining two games in your memory. In "The Phantom Menace" you played as Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Captain Panaka, and Padme. In "Jedi Power Battles" you could play through TPM but as various members of the Jedi Council, Mace Windu, Plo Koon, etc. TPM allowed you to talk to different characters (sometimes) but saying that the makers of KOTOR "got their idea" from it is pure lunacy. LucasArts has been making games with dialogue trees similar to those found in KOTOR for decades. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Day of the Tentacle, the ENTIRE Monkey Island series, they all had the same kind of dialoge with people. I would find it hard to believe that The Phantom Menace game inspired anything, ever.

 

I am going to add my $.02. Now I don't work for LA, but I do work in producing computer/video games.

LucasArts has produced quite a bit of crap with the Star Wars name on it. It's a contest between wether Trek or Wars has the worst track record, but that's another flame for another forum.

Onething to focus on is that LA is moving away from the role of production company to that of content distributer much like how Electronic Arts works. Typically a smaller studio or company will produce a game that EA/LA give money to develop. Then EA/LA does the marketing, production, and distrubtion of said game.

Games that work best do this: KISS. Tie Fighter was space combat sim that was extremely playable with a hell of a story arc. There is a reason why its on every major Top 10 list of video games ever period including #1 on a couple. Look at games that tried to do too much. I include battlefront in this because flying Tie Fighters/Xwings seemed like the maps were too small plus I like in the cockpit views. Now ground combat is a blast especially with friends.

I'd love to see the all out space battle like inthe beginning of Epsiode III also. Just as I'd like to see a new X-wing game produced. Keep the old eye candy even, just make it where more than 32 ships can be displayed.

 

That's pretty sad dude. While your devotion to the Star Wars franchise is noted, please do yourself a favor and get out some more. There are plenty of good games that aren't based on any blockbuster movie, storylines that come from original content that fully utilize the gaming medium (console or PC).

LucasArts has no reason to rehash their NES games. Nor should they really. To be successful, a game needs to have something new to offer to the audience. No one wants to go and string through a fixed linear storyline, going through all kinds of different game styles, and at the end get only what they would have gotten by sitting down for a few hours to watch the movies.

Movies are movies, games are games. Yes they can cross, and they often do. But they are different mediums and should be treated as such. No one wants to watch Luke Skywalker on-screen trudge around a maze to find Chewbacca in the obvious place - the cantina. Why would a game want that either?

 

I include battlefront in this because flying Tie Fighters/Xwings seemed like the maps were too small plus I like in the cockpit views. Now ground combat is a blast especially with friends.

Unimatrix I completely agree with you. those maps are small how are you going to fly in them? the whole getting inside a vehicle and flying around was a horrible idea. that should have been fixed.
also it was a horrible experience having to switch from 3rd person view to 1st person just to fly from inside the cockpit. they screwed up badly man whos working at Lucasarts? some retard?


LucasArts has produced quite a bit of crap with the Star Wars name on it.

Agreed with you 100%!

SWA

 

Games based off of movies are the best ? ***** they are the mostly the WORST. ALOT of my favorite games are NON Star Wars. While very few Star Wars games make my favorites list namely just KOTOR 1 I do enjoy the other Star Wars games as well. But games I call my favorite are NOT Star Wars there is more to games then just Star Wars games buddy & I doubt Lucasarts would read a forum like this you are better off posting this on THEIR forums not the theforce.net forums. Don't waste the game's forum's space with thread's that are useless.

 

What the **** do you expect?! It's a damn RPG. But I sure you don't know what that means.

 

I can't speak for everyone, but a good compeling story is the #1 thing I look for in a game. If you're looking for a game without a story, you might want to just settle for Pong.

 

Let's not forget about Tetris.

 

I can't wait to see his response with that Quest

 

I think I'm sorta gettin' a handle on what your're saying now, although you have a tendency not to answer direct questions posed to you. Is your problem with a game like Rogue Leader that it's too literal a translation of the films? Am I right in saying that you want situations and game play inspired from the OT, but you don't want to do them from the same perspective that the films give us?

Would I be right in saying that you'd like a perspective roughly akin to Obi-Wan's relationship to Episode I? It feels like you're saying you'd almost rather have Wedge's take on the trench run, rather than Luke's, or that you'd like success in a mission defined by other terms than what we actually saw on screen.

 

Miller your on crack.