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Luke deflecting blaster bolts with his palm?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by VaapadMaster, Aug 30, 2005.

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  1. AaronKenobi

    AaronKenobi Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Force powers can be channeled through Bionic limbs(Force choke seems to be able to but that might just be a focusing thing and not related to the power. Sith Lightning could be but it would be very stupid to do so because it would also fry the circuts and servos in a bionic arm.
     
  2. Kenobi_Kid

    Kenobi_Kid Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Careful. We don't know that for certain.
     
  3. Darth_Davi

    Darth_Davi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    one flaw with that theory. If Vader cannot harmlessly absorb the blaster bolt Han Solo shoots at him, then it can only be said that his hand took a blaster shot dead on. If there was no absorbtion, then Vader's hand would have been severely damaged or destroyed by a shot fired from ten feet away, directly at him. Quite simply, Vader suffers absolutely no damage from taking a direct blaster bolt to his hand. We know that mechanical hands can be damaged by even a glancing blast, ala Luke's hand getting damaged on the Sail Barge in ROTJ. They are just metal, there is nothing to indicate that the materials used in creating mechanical limbs are somehow impervious to blasters. Since Vader's hand suffers no damage whatsoever, it can only be assumed that the bolt was in fact, absorbed.

    It also stands to reason that if Vader didn't possess the ability to deflect the blast, why would he stick his hand out to meet it? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Vader wouldn't intentionally try to damage himself by allowing the bolt to hit his hand, he would just get out of the way. If he could absorb it, then sticking his hand out makes sense. It stops the bolt from hitting anything that it can damage, and it further adds to his total badness in the eyes of Han and Leia. If he can absorb blaster fire, it makes him even more of a dangerous enemy. It is like he is flaunting the fact that they can't hurt him even with weapons.

    There is also no proof that Vader couldn't channel the force through his mechanical limbs. Case in point, the chokings. In each instance, he extends his hands forward to initiate the force chokes. If he couldn't channel the force through his mechanical limbs, why would he bother to extend the hand to choke someone?
     
  4. Mavrick889

    Mavrick889 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm pretty sure Luke absorbs laser blasts from an AT-AT in Dark Empire.
     
  5. vong333

    vong333 Force Ghost star 5

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    Okay, here we go again with this crap. What about Luke walking over lava as in KJA novel? Vader couldn't do it. What about the Reborn Emperoer creating a super massive force storm that devours half of the New Republic fleet and his 10 mile Super Duper Star Destroyer? (Dark Empire). So he can, big deal.
     
  6. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    that luke and leia turn against him. Maverick you are correct he did absorbed two blasts from the at-at in DE. also i believe luke learns to make a force storm as well.
     
  7. Kenobi_Kid

    Kenobi_Kid Jedi Padawan star 4

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    That little story (and pulling down SD from orbit) desperately needs a ret-con. Something like Falannassi mass-halucination.
     
  8. ThePariah

    ThePariah Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, if you go check the latest additions to the SW.com databank, group-labeled "Aftermath", you'll find new info on Darth Vader's suit, including this interesting little tidbit:

    His gloves are made with a unique micronized iron that can deflect anything short of a lightsaber blow.

    http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/darthvaderssuit/?id=eu

    Now don't you just love it when things turn out so neatly? :D
     
  9. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Well that helps end the "vader was using the force to deflect blasts discussion". now since luke can protect his whole body from AT-AT blasts and expolsions, is it safe to say he can block things with his right hand( the robotic one)?
     
  10. DeJade_Vu

    DeJade_Vu Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Of course it is! Go Luke!!

    :D

     
  11. Darth_Davi

    Darth_Davi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I hate conceding, and was going to write about the differences between deflection and absorbtion, and that the blaster bolts didn't get deflected...but, I popped in ESB to make sure, and while the bolts don't get deflected off into a different direction, there are lots of sparks when the bolts hit Vader's gloves, which I interpreted as the bolts dispersing off of his gloves, like they hit metal that was too thick or something. There is too much energy being given off to allow for most of the energy to be absorbed, so I can only conclude that his gloves actually are able to stop blaster fire after all, and destroyed the bolt.
     
  12. Sith-Pirate

    Sith-Pirate Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's funny how the eu took something that happened in ESB that's not even a use of the force, but just advanced technology, and made it into a force Technique.
     
  13. cbrowns4812

    cbrowns4812 Jedi Master star 1

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    The absorption vs. deflection thing is more or less a draw. Visually, the bolts do look as though they are simply dispersing into a shower of sparks, but if you freeze-frame the shots showing Vader in the foreground, and Han firing farther back, you can see blaster bolt impacts on either side of the door, as if the bolts were indeed reflected.

    I think the confusion is caused by an "error" in the special effects. We see the impact and explosion of a blaster bolt on the sides of the door, but not the blaster bolt itself. Frustrating, eh?
     
  14. I_Heart_WessHar

    I_Heart_WessHar Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I don't think Vader needs to channel the Force through anything to use telekinesis and choking; Luke lifts Threepio in ROTJ, and the rock in ESB, just through concentration. Lightning is apparently a different story, since the energy has to be channeled along a path, but haven't sources said that hand gestures just help the Force adept in question focus more easily? That and Dooku's the theatrical type...

    And as for Luke and Jacen deflecting blaster bolts, I think it's just fine, even though I do subscribe to the belief that in general, the Jedi shouldn't be portrayed as supermen. I think the Skywalker line (and of course the Solo kids), and others like Jedi Council members of the prequel era, can be portrayed as near-such, but I have mixed feelings about the rest of the NJO folks, yes.

    But Luke is the son of a guy with a record high midi-chlorian count, and he's now he's as old as Mace was at the time of ROTJ. And while Mace has definitely been through a lot, I'm pretty sure the period between the OT and the Dark Nest trilogy has been saturated with significantly more conflict than Mace's day was. I think it's safe to assume that Mace and Luke could have about the same amount of raw power (I don't personally think Luke is pre-suit's Anakin's equal as far as potential power goes), for one thing. And since Luke's been fighting and adventuring almost non-stop for like 30 years (being the only available Jedi Master for awhile and thus relied upon maybe too much), and the YV conflict was at least as devastating as the Clone Wars, and Luke's had the stressors of rebuilding the Order from scratch with a lot of trial and error, that it's more than understandable for him to have grown in the Force to the point of being able to resist energy a la Yoda. And Jacen we've seen go through some pretty intense stuff too, with Vergere, and of course whatever we didn't see on that sojourn.

    I'm not even a Luke fan. I never really got attached to him in the OT. I prefer his dear ol' dad, and Jacen too. But I don't see any problems at all with the power he's achieved at this point.
     
  15. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I thought Luke defelcted the blasts with his lightsaber and force powers combined. he didn't absorb it, because the blasts damage the walker.
     
  16. JediBrain

    JediBrain Jedi Youngling star 1

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    There is a Force power out there called 'imbue object' or something like that. In the RPG it allows the charachter to infuse an object with the Force, like say a stick, which will then do more damage, or take more damage. What it amounts to is the user of the power creates a 'Force' field in/around something. This is the power I believe Luke used in Joiner King. I'm not familiar with the Jedi that blocked lightsabers with his wooden staff, but I bet the same power was being used there.

    As far as Force wall, I agree with whoever said that it is no big deal. They are basically just using the Force on the air molecules to hold them in place, creating a 'wall'. Jacen does this on that moon (was that Ebaq 9?). Tahiri does this on Yavin as well when she is in captivity. She tries to crush the 'Vong shapers by crushing the air against them. It almost works too, if I recall correctly.

    Brian
     
  17. SuperLariat

    SuperLariat Jedi Youngling star 2

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    The gestures are just for show, with the hands and all. Luke says as much in Jedi Search.

    And yes, watch the movie.. Vader asborbed the blast. I was 7 and I caught that :)

    If Anakin is the Chosen One, Luke and Leia are the Chosen Two, by some weird default. They should be just as pimp, but someone out there doesn't like Leia as much. Come on Troy :)
     
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