Luke, Mara, the Force, and Sex in the Expanded Universe (Spoilers Allowed)

No clue, but here is EH_Pilot's fic. I recommend it... even if it has implied twincest.
A Darth Path and a New Beginning

I wonder if the idea of SW twincest didn't start back with "the kiss" in ESB, and well, if Mother and Uncle have the inclination, why not the kids? *shrugs*

 

thx redgold, true, true..

I know some of the twincest fics from around the net. they are not only implied.

the implied only fic was good, are there more of that kind out there? I didn´t check the fanfiction on TFN and its boards much yet.

also.. the kiss between Leia and Luke wasn´t the only case, a weird star wars scene started some fans to get horny thoughts.

remember the scenes between Leia & Chewie? there even exists an official behind the scenes photo where the wookie grabs her breast and she looks exited.

well... Star Wars isn´t as clean as George intended it to be. Even the holliday special has a cybersex machine for Chewies dad, lol... damn how bad a movie that was

 

...anyone else think it's a tad...odd, that the Solo twins grew up for a good portion of their childhood in an isolated sanctuary on a lifeless rock in the middle of nowhere with a caretaker that was supposed to look almost identical to their mother?

You consider <2 years to be a significant portion of childhood? Granted, it was the first two and they're apparently very important.

 

can the jedi have sex with each other ? just for fun? if they cant have attachments outside the order, then why not breed a bunch of midichlorian heavy children ?

 

CeiranHarmony: I believe I was the first to ever actually put down the Jacen/Jaina relationship as not only possible, but probable. I did so at least a year ago on this very thread. AG88 was confused at the time and tried to give McEwok the credit

RedGold: Thanks for the free publicity

 

Well, Pilot, you brought it to TFN, but I know of such stories of adult nature around the net for over 5 years already.

my first discovery of the dark side of star wars fiction and pairings started 1997.. and already then there was something like this.

 

Those are good questions.

Basically Jedi sex for fun is fine, it's just that once love enters the equation that the threat of the "Darkside" looms. Whatever. I think it's a flaw in the OJO, this idea that all loving relationships lead to doom. In fact it smacks of fear to me and we all know what the OJO thought fear led to.

Although, can you imagine how jacked up it would be if the children of the Jedi, whom at the time lived in the Jedi temple with their parents, weren't allowed to form an attachment to them. Parent and child might know about each other but they wouldn't be allowed to love one another for fear of attachment. Call me old-fashioned but I don't think that sounds healthy. In fact it sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Plus, it would be crazy at the temple with all of those toddlers and babies wreaking havoc, so Yoda just said: "Hmph, for Jedi, attachments are forbidden! Now, clean up this mess, you must! Hmph."

Concerning Twincest:
As disturbing and taboo as this would be it does make sense and would make for an interesting read. Canon-wise it will never happen, but that's what fanfic is for I suppose.

 

about jedi sex, you are right, and George Lucas himself said: Jedi can have sex.

but without attachements and love, it is very rare and just for fun, except for rare cases like Ki Adi Mundi, who was allowed to marry.

I think, it was only a problem because of the orders strong rules.. it wasn´t dark side, it was just the order being stubborn about changing with time.

 

That's a good point. I just wonder if most of the rules of the OJO were meant to "help" it's members avoid the Darkside. That was supposed to be their specialty after all. Well, before their gigantic failure with Anakin that is.

 

about twincest... a good fanfic author might try to touch this topic (and I don´t mean the erotic fics, that do it just for the sex).

Someone skilled with writing might try to develop Luke & Leias relationship further, pre TESB, and continue until after ROTJ.. show the difficulty after ROTJ and their knowledge of being siblings. Leia loves Han, yes, but Luke is still solo and thinking about Leia.. they have to resolve this somehow.. talk about it and what happened in the past. or what nearly happened. also the Leia/Chewie topic might be adressed, though this originated in behind the scenes humor photos.
or portray the twincest of Jaina/Jacen when growing up and their difficult youth during wartime etc.


If any author trys something, I want to read it. but it needs talent and good characterisation.


but some other interesting topics: did this thread already discuss the weird sexlife of Leonia Tavira? this imperial chick really was.. well the most sexcrazy nymphomanic Imperial I ever saw in the EU.. her bio alone is full of it.

 

My gosh...I check back on this section of the forums about once every six months...and this particular thread is ALWAYS on the first page!



I guess it just goes to prove what I've always said...people like talking about sex, no matter how taboo it may be in your culture...

Violetsaber

 

Talking about sex is taboo!! Why didn't somebody tell me!!

AG88

 

SHAME! SHAAAAAAAAME!

 

there needs to be more sex in the star wars universe

 

RedHanded_Jill:
Yep!

C. Harmony:
You mentioned a photo of Chewie copping a feel with Leia. McEwok wrote a pretty humorous short fanfic about an implied intimacy (and not even sexual per se,) between Jaina and Lowbacca which ended up getting banned here! "This moment now" indeed!

Also, I think this Leonia Tavira character showed up in I, Jedi but I didn't make it to her part in that book. What's up with her?

 

Jaina and Lowbacca always did seem quite close, and I dont think an interspecies relationship would be entirely out of the question. They're both pilot/mechanics, and have spent quite a bit alone together fixing ships. Figuring that they first met during the sexually inquisitive teenaged years, it's not a great stretch to assume that the idea of expirmentation never crossed thier minds ?(I'm sure everyone has wondered at least once as to the *achem* "manliness" of Chewbacca).

=p

 

Stop it!! Please don't remind me of the fic McEwok wrote about those two!!!

AG88

 

Well, to avoid the inevetiable discussion of Wookie-on-human (really, for safety's sake, it should probably be human-on wookie) reproductive physics, we could broaden the subject to all aliens of alternate physiologies. For example,how would full body tentacle aliens like Oppo "The Lady Pleaser" Rancisis relate with a more typical humaniod female? Or a insectiod species like a Geonosian queen? Figure, in all of the GFFA, such things have to have happend at least once.

 

where can I get that fic? must read it! please if you got it email me: ceiranharmony@aol.com

ps: Leonia is a nymphomanic little Moff, acutally she married a Moff at age of 10!!! and we know why they married.. well, later he died/was killed and she took his title and became a cruel little nymphomanic moff who sleeps with her troops, pilots etc. and tries to seduce corran horn to take her, well he resists and wants to rescue his wife mirax from her grasps.

 

When did this all happen?!? I figure the bit with Mirax takes place in I, Jedi but is Leonia primarily a villainess in the Rogue Squadron books? Crazy!

 

she is only in I, Jedi and some rogue squadron comix. most of the sexual stuff is implied only but the message is very much there and pointed at. even her bio of the young marriage directs the thoughts to pervert imperials.

 

And here I gave up on I, Jedi right as Corran started getting close to her...oh well, perhaps I'll return to that book sometime.

 

I'm going to assume that you're referring to the child and not God.

At any rate, I think you might be interested in reading this:

Contraception and Catholic Teaching

 

Having a little extra time on my hands, I actually read the above article. It was quite interesting.

However, I think comparing praying to having sex and that "Using contraception is like sending a disinvitation to God. It is like telling God that He should not show up, that His creative act is not only unwanted, but disrespected" is a bit of a stretch. I don't believe that God will be offended because two people choose to have safe sex out of wedlock.

I believe that "Morality" is subjective. If people want to wait until marriage, that's great. I'm all for it. But the rest of us shouldn't have to suffer because they make a different choice, or perceive God (and his teachings) in a different way. That is of course, my opinion. You are entitled to think differently.

And yes, believe it or not, I am a Catholic. Thanks for sharing the article, though, Quiet_Mandolorian. Very thought provoking.


But, yes...back on topic. I'm pretty sure Mara would have used some solid birth control pre-Ben. I think she's too fanatical to rely on Family Planning.

 

This has always had me wondering. When she got pregnant I don't recall her saying "That's impossible, I am on the pill!" So I just assumed that for some reason they thought they couldn't have kids. Maybe they had been trying but could not conceive, therefore there was no need for contraceptives.

It was always curious as to why they waited so long to have children. Not that I think people should have kids right after they married. Hell, my husband and I waited 11 years, but we didn't marry in our late 30's either.

It is just interesting. I wish the authors would give us a glimpse into what was going on between Mara and Luke when it came to having a family.

AG88