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Luke, Mara, the Force, and Sex in the Expanded Universe (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by HanSolOKniser3, Jul 14, 2004.

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  1. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There's also the instance of the woman on Dantooine in KOTOR who has an.....unhealthy "fixation" on her dead husband's droid as.....her husband.

    I still hold the opinion that the Kaminin (Kaminoian?) clones didn't have sex. Considering the fact they are created solely for the purpouse of fighting, have been augmented so they live for combat, and due to the nasty complications that could arise from the....distraction of desire of sexual relations, I don't think they had the means or the mind.

    In other words, the flesh is incapable and the mind is unwilling.
     
  2. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    TMcE: Or having sex with a spaceship. I'm sure it's technically possible - if the Ssi-ruuk entech your lover, or something...

    How are you so sure it is technically possible to have sex with an inanimate object? Is that the voice of experience talking, McEwok?

    EH_Pilot: I still hold the opinion that the Kaminin (Kaminoian?) clones didn't have sex. Considering the fact they are created solely for the purpouse of fighting, have been augmented so they live for combat, and due to the nasty complications that could arise from the....distraction of desire of sexual relations, I don't think they had the means or the mind.

    But it has already happened. I think it was in one of the Medstar books.

    [face_monkey]
     
  3. academygrad88

    academygrad88 Jedi Master star 5

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    This is my 2000th post!!! [face_dancing][:D]:*:D=D=

    Sorry, this post has nothing to do about sex. I just thought it would be befitting to lose my newbie innocence to this thread.

    I can be considered an oldbie now, right?

    AG88
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  4. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Jedi-Lover: "But it has already happened. I think it was in one of the Medstar books."

    Then I'll compromise with you and say they're sterile.

    88:"I can be considered an oldbie now, right?"

    Nah, just someone who's spent too much time on this board :p
     
  5. academygrad88

    academygrad88 Jedi Master star 5

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    I do spend too much time here. :p Maybe I should stop posting in this thread.

    Then I'll compromise with you and say they're sterile.

    I think J_L is correct. The clone impregnated his lover in the book he was talking about.


    AG88
     
  6. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "I think J_L is correct. The clone impregnated his lover in the book he was talking about."

    Yes, and we all know how concrete and certain and unambiguous impregnations have been in SW literature.:rolleyes: :p
     
  7. master_organa

    master_organa Jedi Knight star 5

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    I have a question to ask that I am ashamed I do not know. Is Asajj human or an alien?
     
  8. academygrad88

    academygrad88 Jedi Master star 5

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    Asajj is a Rattataki. According to the Star Wars Unofficial Encyclopedia:

    this race of near-humans, characterized by their thin bodies and pasty-white skin, was native to the remote world of Rattatak.

    It did not mention it, but I am pretty sure they are all bald.

    So they are a subspecies of human.

    AG88
     
  9. clonedmenace

    clonedmenace Jedi Youngling star 2

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    The Cestus Deception is the book in which an ARC trooper, Nate, impregnates a woman. Obi-Wan senses the child through the force and seems convinced that it is Nate's.
     
  10. Benjor45

    Benjor45 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    academygrad88
    Don't do that Benjor!! You have some great posts!! Just don't take anything Jedi_lover says seriously. I sure don't.

    First you come with those RHABDOPHILIA and SCELEROPHILIA theories, then Jedi_lover with that VOTF AU. [face_frustrated] I keep getting pissed off! :_|

    Can you give me Mara's thoughts when she is fighting those droids until the end of the comics (In BTEH0)? When she spares that human's life and what does Palaptine say?


    rogue_wookiee

    Just pointing out that Han didn't say he loved Leia until RotJ. Yet we know he loved her in ESB.

    And what would she have to do to prove it? Be all over Luke saying she loved him? Completely out of her character.


    You're right, of course. I'm just too used to fanfics that get their relationship much better than the pro stuff.



    Continuation of Asajj_Kenobi's continuation of Jedi-Lover's ficlet:

    ?Oh.? Luke said, but still not quite comprehending. But then he understood. ?Ooohhhhh!?

    *1 year later*

    Mara looked at the Jedi woman in front of her, who had apeared out of nowhere and helped her against these pirate's attack. Luke's academy was realy turning them out. She took a long look at the woman which used form fitting dark clothes. She was slightly taller than Mara, with broad shoulders, muscled arms and somewhat thin hips, but definetely with a very female overall quality to her. She was quite well endowed and had the cuttest tushie. Dark blond hair fell to her shoulders, she had the bluest eyes and-

    "Eeeeek!" Mara backed alway in shock. It couldn't be. It was impossible! She took a look at the woman's lightsaber. "LUKE?!?!"

    "I did it all for you Mara. I love you so much. Maybe this way you'll see the truth of our love!" 'Luke' tossed his/her(?) hair and preened. "But I'm not Luke anymore. Call me Luka."

    "You freak! What made you think that I- How did you get such a fine job, anyway?"

    Luka scufled her feet and sniffed. "Lando knew of a Geonosian cloner working illegaly in the Clufiodol cluster. A true master of the art. I'm completely female now, in shape and feelings. I can even have kids!"

    Mara made an horrified face and Luka began to sob.

    "I even take estrogen shots regularly! Why can't you see we are destined to be togheter?" She began to cry in earnest.

    Mara's heart softened. She took Luka's big hands on her own. "Luka, you shouldn't take anymore estrogen shots. You really don't need them. You were always so gentle and kind. I really should have seen beyond my prejudices."

    Luka looked up hopefully.

    "Come. I need to thank you for saving me from those pirates."

    Mara dragged Luka back to the Jade's Flame...

    And they lived hapilly ever after. :D

    Note: When they decided to have kids they combined their DNA and recurred to the Geonosian cloner again. No donations from certain decendants of Leia and Han Solo were needed. [face_frustrated] :D
     
  11. academygrad88

    academygrad88 Jedi Master star 5

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    [face_laugh][face_laugh][face_laugh][face_laugh]

    lol

    That is hilarious!

    Bravo! I love the Benjor45/Asajj_Kenobi/Jedi_Lover's combined fanfic. You guys are truly twisted!

    We should combine it and put it into one post.

    [face_laugh]

    If we really want to tick people off we should post it in the fanfic forum. [face_laugh]

    Benjor45: First you come with those RHABDOPHILIA and SCELEROPHILIA theories, then Jedi_lover with that VOTF AU. I keep getting pissed off!

    What? You don't want us to make up any more theories?

    AG88
     
  12. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    88: We should combine it and put it into one post.

    I think so too. Great job Benjor45!! [face_laugh] ;)

    ***************


    The Jedi_Lover/Asajj_Kenobi/Benjor45 Alternate Universe ending to Vision of the Future:

    ********

    ?Mara......will you marry me?? Luke asked nervously.

    Mara stared at him dumbfounded. This definitely was not what she expected to hear from the Jedi Master. For a second she did not know what to say. So she attempted to evade the question.

    ?You mean if we get out of here alive?? she asked. She hoped that reminding Luke of their predicament would reveal how poorly timed the question was.

    ?I mean regardless.? Luke answered.

    He was holding her hands and gazing intently into her eyes. Luke?s face showed a mixture of hope and longing. He smiled at her lovingly as he awaited her answer.

    Mara?s thoughts and emotions were in turmoil. There was no doubt that she held deep respect and admiration for this man. And she felt closer to him than anybody else in the galaxy, but was it love? A feeling of panic suddenly rose within Mara. ?Why is he asking this now?? She thought frantically.

    The smile slipped from Luke?s face as he picked up on her conflicting emotions. His face flushed with embarrassment. He dropped Mara?s hands and turned away. ?I am sorry Mara...it was wrong of me to ask you that question knowing the difficulty we are in.?

    ?Luke,? Mara said, her voice was choked with emotion. ?I can?t marry you. I am sorry.?

    Luke nodded his head trying to will himself to believe her words, but he couldn?t. Acting in sheer desperation he turned and grabbed Mara around the waist and neck and pulled her toward him. His mouth claimed hers in a passionate kiss. He hoped she would give up her irrational fear of commitment and finally admit her love for him. It might have been male arrogance on his part, but he fully expected her to melt in his loving embrace. But it did not happen. She did not push him away, but she did not return his kiss. It held as much passion as the goodbye kisses his sister would give him. Embarrassed he released Mara. She looked at him with tears rolling down her cheeks. ?I am so sorry, Luke.? She cried.

    He was not ready to admit defeat. He was privy to all her secrets; he was not going to let her disavow their love!

    ?Mara,? Luke started, ?I know you love me. If you don?t want to get married now, that is fine, but you are not going to deny you love me.? Luke?s voice was getting husky from the overwhelming emotion he was feeling now.

    ?When we were fighting those droids we melded together in the Force. I know everything about you. Your hopes, your fears, your deepest secrets and most private sorrows. I know your very heart and soul. And I know you also know mine. I know you love me! Please don?t deny it, because...?

    Mara placed two fingers over Luke?s mouth silencing him in mid-rant. ?Shhhhh,? Mara pleaded with him. ?Luke, think back at what you experienced. You felt my deep admiration, respect and yes, even love, but Luke, did you sense any romantic feelings??

    ?Of course, I...?Luke stopped suddenly. He thought back. Did he imagine it? Did he just assume Mara was as attracted to him as he was to her? The stark realization hit Luke. He brought his hands up over his face to conceal his tears and muffle his cries. ?No!? he admitted, ?I felt love, but no attraction. No romantic feelings.?

    ?Luke, it is not that I don?t find you attractive. I do. But I love you more like a brother. It is a platonic feeling I have for you. I am sorry Luke. It is not you, it is me. Please forgive me!? Mara pleaded with her best friend.

    ?Sith,? She thought, ?I should have just lied to him. We are going to die anyway.?

    ?No!? Luke said angrily, picking up on her thoughts. ?Don?t pity me! I don?t want to be patronized!?

    The anger quickly faded from the Jedi Master and was replaced with a quiet determination. ?Mara, if our fate is to be best friends. Then that will just have to be good enough for me.? He said knowing full well tha
     
  13. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    You're right, of course. I'm just too used to fanfics that get their relationship much better than the pro stuff.

    You can tell Zahn isn't a romance author. But then again I kind of liked the way Luke and Mara's relationship went. Instead of an on again off again type or very passionate one it started out of mutual respect and grew into love.
     
  14. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm incredibly compelled to write something on my JJSS&B theory, or my Anakin Solo is Anakin Skywalker theory.

    I'll keep it clean, trust me! :p

    Good writing J_L, by the way!
     
  15. academygrad88

    academygrad88 Jedi Master star 5

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    Benjor45: Can you give me Mara's thoughts when she is fighting those droids until the end of the comics (In BTEH0)? When she spares that human's life and what does Palaptine say?

    What do you think I am Benjor? The ?Sex? thread research librarian?

    Ok, just this one time.

    Mara: ?A little long-range twitching of the trigger to get their attention?..if I deal with these fast enough?.Wait a second. Something?s wrong here?.Blast it! Ok?that?s the way you want to play it? Fine. ***Hits soldier in the face, knocking him out***

    Emperor: HOLD!! Tell me child, why did you not kill him when you sensed he was not one of the practice droids?

    Mara: It was unnecessary. Besides, it seemed to me that a man loyal enough to give his life for a training exercise was too valuable to the empire to be wasted.

    Darth Vader: You are right my Master?neither light nor yet dark. An interesting experiment indeed.

    Mara: And now I have a question for you. Is this just an exercise or do you actually suspect Moff Tarkin of treason?

    Emperor: I suspect him of ambition child. The one can easily grow into the other. But you will not need to deal with Tarkin. Another will watch over him. Child meet Lord Darth Vader. Lord Vader meet Mara Jade?The Emperor?s Hand!



    AG88
    [face_devil]
     
  16. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    Benjor/AK/J_L: [face_laugh]!

    Priceless!

    You get a Troilistic Ewok?! :D

    But as to characters and fanfic - there's always seemed something slightly baroque and self-indulgent to me about such detailed, consistent characterization... :p

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  17. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    You get a Troilistic Ewok?!

    :eek:[face_dancing][:D]:D :)






















    It's about bloody time! ;)[face_laugh]

    Thanks McEwok!

    [face_monkey]
     
  18. HanSolOKniser3

    HanSolOKniser3 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TMcE:
    Or having sex with a spaceship. I'm sure it's technically possible

    It seems feasible that a Sekotan ship could develop the necessary apparatus.




    I'll have more later on Mara's sexual perspectives and Jangotat's missing moment.



    Have a nice day everyone!

    I am off the Freq. (Freak!)

    [face_peace] :D [face_monkey]
     
  19. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    It seems feasible that a Sekotan ship could develop the necessary apparatus.

    Ugh! That is a disturbing thought. That reminds me of a book I read as a kid. I think it was called ?Demon Seed?. It was about a computer who lusted after a woman. I think Dean Koontz wrote it. It was a creepy book.

    [face_monkey]
     
  20. master_organa

    master_organa Jedi Knight star 5

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    ^^^ You read it when you were little? Gross.[face_sick]

     
  21. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    You read it when you were little? Gross.

    I don?t believe it had an adverse affect on me. 8-}

    Of course, my parents did not know what I was reading. I would buy books by the box load at garage sales. They probably would not have appreciated my reading books like the John Norman?s Gor series or Desmond Morris?s The Naked Ape as an adolescent. :p

    But look, I turned out normal! ;)

    [face_monkey]
     
  22. rogue_wookiee

    rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling star 6

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    But look, I turned out normal!

    Normal? You are discussing sex in a fictional universe on the internet.
     
  23. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    Normal? You are discussing sex in a fictional universe on the internet.

    Thanks not normal?!? :confused:

    Uh oh.

    JL
     
  24. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I wonder/hope that the SW "internet" (aka Holonet) is as pornogrophied as it is here.

    I guess that's one advantage to a repressive autocracy taking power. :p
     
  25. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    EH_Pilot: I wonder/hope that the SW "internet" (aka Holonet) is as pornogrophied as it is here.

    Do you mean pornography? We can get pornography on the internet?!?!

    Excuse me, I have to go do a GOOGLE search on something.


    :p

    [face_monkey]


     
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