Andor Luthen Rael

It was definitely Imperial.

 

With the choice of target in flashback and him recruiting Semaj after the talk about latter's lineage, wonder if Luthen lived on Naboo in his early years, and because of that he initially supported the Empire.

His finale and history with Kleya on their own are just great. But, IMO, there was a little bit too much of focus on him being "the true secret hero of the Rebellion", replacing Jyn and Cassian in that possition. Especially since now it seems like Andor's readiness to die in RO (and by that also "paying for his sins") is mostly influenced by Luthen's sacrifice.

 

I thought it was interesting that in last week’s eps, he spoke with Mothma as the spy chief version of himself whereas he spoke with Lonni as his shop version. Almost as though he really had started to lose his grip. He wasn’t sure who he was supposed to be anymore. The rebellion was functioning now without him. Just an interesting visual nod to the fact he probably didn’t know who he was anymore, all his masks had become interchangeable.

In terms of the flashback, he was a separatist originally wasn’t he? I wonder if he was fighting the clones. That soundscape of destruction was very similar to that war movie from last year that I can’t remember the name of right now.

 

It seems most logical that would be the case but does the timeline allow for it? How old was Kleya in the flashback and how old is she now? Does her age change allow enough time for it be empire or is it still the republic era?

 

There was a recent interview where Elizabeth Dulau referred to Luthen and Kleya's first meeting as happening "17 years prior". So around 18 BBY, just after the founding of the Empire, I guess.

 

When was Han on Jabiim?

 

Obviously this show doesn't deal with it much, but I appreciate that Luthen's journey as a rebel begins so early in the Imperial era. There isn't a clean line between the "good" Republic and the evil Empire - the Republic's democratic institutions were crumbling by the time of The Phantom Menace and went into freefall during the Clone Wars, well before Palpatine's official declaration of the Galactic Empire. The process continues all the way through to A New Hope, when the Senate is formally dissolved and the Empire feels safe to openly blow up entire planets in the Galactic Core. To me that's what the prequel trilogy is about, however imperfectly executed - and it's much more relevant for our times and the times that Lucas seems to have been thinking about when creating the Empire, the Rebellion, and the Republic. Democracy doesn't fall overnight. Authoritarianism is a creeping, eroding, crawling force.

 

In his monologue in season one Luthen says “ I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there’s only one conclusion, I’m damned for what I do. ”
I assumed that’s when he met Kleya and defected when I saw the flashback?
It would track with the 17 years or something because of the time jumps in the second season?

 

I was literally just doing that same calculation before I read your post. Sounds right to me.

 

Also still wondering what language he was speaking when he repeated "make it stop" and then a phrase in another language or if I am going crazy and I dreamt it because no one is mentioning it? I need to rewatch

 

It’s there. And we don’t know what language it is. Someone needs to ask Gilroy ASAP. I must know within the hour or I will explode.

 

I assumed he was repeating "make it stop" in the other language but wondered weheter it was HIS native language or of it was the native language of the people that were being slaughtered and he was repeating what he heard them say.
Someone said it could be Mimban but Mimban is only 10BBY too late right?
Was it during order 66? Could it be on Ilum?

EDIT: He says (thanks CC subtitles) "Rosh ne luts!"

 

Oh, rosh ne luts? OK. Yeah, that makes sense now!

 

Does that sound familiar to you?

 

No. I was kidding.

 

Ahahah fair enough… I am not really bright today

 

Luthen's theme from S1 playing in episode 10 was a really nice touch.

 

His theme tune is on point for his character, completely underrated. It also adds so much to his speech to Lonni

 

I’m So Glad the ‘Andor’ Finale Never Confirmed the Show’s Most Popular Fan Theory

You can blame me for not reading into too much on each character outside of the show itself, but was it ever suggested in here that Luthen was actually a Force-wielding Jedi? So he possessed a Kyber Crystal. That's where the theory apparently came from. Yeah, that would've put a shadow over the story and show. As far as we know, the only Jedi, in canon anyway, that were involved in the early rebellion before Luke were Ahsoka, Kanon, and Ezra, right? The Andor show wasn't supposed to be about the Jedi; Chirrut in R1 was more about faith guiding his abilities than actually using The Force.

 

I Think it was suggested but I love his back story as sgt Lear of the imperial army circa 18 BBY I'm guessing. I think that's why it uniform is not immediately apparent it's very early in the armies garb.

 

In Andor: Declassified, Gilroy goes into how Kleya is the one who pushes Luthen deeper into rebellion. This partially explains Luthen's speech to Lonni in Season 1. Because he sees himself as complicit in the death of Kleya's family, he doesn't believe that he deserves to see a "sunrise" (a la the end the Empire). All he wanted to do was get the Rebellion as a military force going. He didn't care if they fought for democracy (as Mon preferred) or pure anarchy (as Saw preferred). He'd accept an end to the Empire either way. His hatred was strictly for the Empire itself. That's all about which he cared, and that's exactly what makes him a unique character.

 

I still couldn't really pick up who he was before he met Kleya. What exactly was his military unit doing when they were massacring civilians? Was that part of the anarchy arm of the rebellion, or was he actually with the Empire and subsequently deserted them when he found the little girl?