Andor Luthen Rael

Lor in TFA is at least 40 years after the events of Andor and Luthen. I seriously doubt they are the same character.

And him being a former Jedi makes more sense. At least a little. lol.

 

It would be quite a retcon to establish Luthen would be Lor San Tekka. I see no reason to do such a leap. Same with him being jedi. Unnecessary and doesn't IMO even work for him. But that is still possible. I just don't think it's probable.

 

I can think of stupider things than making Luthen Rael the same person as Lor San Tekka. But it’s still pretty stupid.

 

The math dosent even work. I doubt Luthien Rael is younger then late 40's to 50's. Lor San Tekka would be 40 or younger in Andor. He is in his 70's in TFA. It be cool to see a younger version of him. But not Luthien Rael, dosent fit the character who is very religios.

 

They look absolutely nothing alike. Not even vaguely. The only thing they have in common is being Swedish.

 

Hiding in plain sight? Surely someone on Coruscant would recognise him...

 

If there's a series or film that takes place about six years before Andor, Dolph Lundgren should be cast to play Luthen.

 

He’s older than the actor playing the part now.

 

Dolph is 65, and Stellan is 71.

If he doesn't play a younger Luthen, Dolph could play a younger Lor San Tekka.

 

That’s what the internet wants us to think. Dolph has city miles.

I would like to see Dolph in Star Wars. Make him a good guy.

 

I enjoyed his character this season. A great edition to the GFFA. I like how he has been established and I don't think much less of him not doing anything on Ferrix but it would've been nice to see him take out some Imperials.
I look forward to seeing him and Cassian working together next season.

 

While I don't much care for the crackpot theory going around that Luthen himself is a sekrit Jedi, I do feel a Jedi connection can be used here to both flesh out Luthen's motivations in fighting the Empire and deepen the show's already impressive worldbuilding in interesting ways. For example, suppose one of Luthen's family was a Jedi killed during Order 66, perhaps even his child for maximum drama, lol. Or, if that's too personal, let's say Luthen was a Republic officer, maybe working in intelligence to contextualize his current skill set, who served closely with the Jedi, but who unlike Yularen, his ISB counterpart, did not for a moment buy Palpatine's hogwash about the whole Order suddenly turning traitor.

Seeing the clones betray the Jedi commanders they were so loyal to without hesitation, gunning down not just the Knights and Masters but the teenage Padawans, often in the field, in the midst of ongoing battles and campaigns against the Separatists, well, I imagine a person as sharp and informed as Luthen might have some questions. Ditto if Luthen was close enough to a Jedi to know who the Jedi were as a people and culture, to learn a little of their history and philosophy ("guardians of peace and justice"). And, of course, if Luthen's child was a Jedi youngling massacred at the Temple, no amount of political speechifying on Palpatine's part could justify that death to him.

What's more, any crackdowns by the newly formed Empire on families and organizations with Jedi ties, Jedi sympathizers, and later Force sensitives in general, other races like the Lasat with Force traditions---all would only serve to strengthen Luthen's suspicions that the Jedi were scapegoated into a realization that the Empire itself is an evil, oppressive state. ETA: Character-wise, introducing the Jedi as an element in Luthen's backstory creates tension between the ruthless methods he tells himself he must resort to in order to fight the Empire and the compassionate ideals the Jedi embodied, which he in truth may desperately want to honor.

Essentially, the Jedi were the very first victims of the Empire; they were the first to be crushed by a regime that's now beginning to grind up the lives of more and more ordinary people. It would make sense, IMO, for Luthen to have a connection to the Jedi on the basis that he's among the first to awaken, in Maarva's words, to the threat of the Empire, same as Bail Organa. The masses instead slept through Order 66 and didn't think to question why a total genocide was necessary, because 1) in the wide view, the Jedi are a minority, fear and prejudice against whom Palpatine worked hard for years to stoke, like many IRL demagogues, and 2) the majority no doubt believed the Empire's brute force would never be turned against them and theirs, so long as they remained law-abiding citizens who minded their own business.

The Jedi as a lesson in the perils of ignoring terrible injustices because they don't affect you personally---when such crimes are state sponsored, the consequences will ultimately come home to roost---would be entirely in keeping with the themes of the show, IMO.

 

Literally no way he is a Jedi.

I just view Luthen as almost a Jeffrey Epstein type figure with a lot of money and friends in high places who ends up bankrolling a rebellion instead of a criminal ring

 

Luthen imitated Darth Maul a few times on this show, with his Lightsaber weapon onboard his ship, and when he parks his ship and gets on his speeder bike in the last episode. He's got his museum full of Jedi and Sith props where its basically a rehash of Dryden Vos. I get the sense he's Crimson Dawn operative. His ship seems like a cross between Maul's Scimitar, Solo's Falcon and Marek's Rogue Shadow.

 

Luthen is a deeply committed rebel, not an operative for an extortionist criminal operation. That would be a terrible twist.

 

Yeah I didn't say it was the stupidest thing ever, just pointless.

Luthen Rael being involved in Crimson Dawn would also ruin his character, but surely he could've had some connection there. We don't really know where and how he got his ship, so could it be that his tech is actually stolen from Crimson Dawn or something. Enfys Nest was connected to Rebellion in some way and she raided Crimson Dawn's stuff so I could see there is possibility they will write connection between like Enfys and Luthen.

 

That would explain their equally impressive facility with monologues.

 

EDIT: Disregard.

 

I’ll go along with that, but only if we get Qi’ra in season 2.

 

Luthen strikes me as desensitized due to some sort of trauma in his past. I have a feeling we'll learn more about him in the second season.

My theory is that he was married and had kids, but the Empire killed them for whatever reason. And his desire for revenge has both incentivized and consumed him.

 

"I've given up all chance at inner peace. I made my mind a sunless space. I share my dreams with ghosts."
- Luthen Rael

He sounds like the people who get into pointless debates on Facebook.

 

Or your average Jedi Council Forum member.

 

While I think the show will keep it ambiguous, to me Luthen Rael is a former Jedi. His talk about how he saw his friends all die dating back exactly to the end of The Clone Wars is the most solid clue, I think.

Coruscant is home to a trillion beings. Jedi were 10,000 plus before the Clone Wars. Jedi Temple records were spotty at best - a whole planet got deleted.......No reason to think the Republic would have been allowed to maintain a full list of members of the Jedi Order. They would have what the Jedi gave them.

Sidious hid in plain site. I think Rael has a parallel there.

Further to my theories I imagine when Yoda and Obi returned to the Jedi Temple they would have eliminated the temple archives to help protect those who had not yet been killed or found.

I don't think Rael is suddenly going to start to wave around a lightsaber, or anything so blunt as that. But him once being a Jedi, and now being ashamed of the actions he has to take against the Empire fits really well.

 

That's what I'm talking about. More Luthen discourse during the height of Ahsoka season. More chaos please.