mace windu is REALLY overrated.

Don't get me wrong i understand why everyone likes him but there is a difference between "fan favorite" and "ZOMG BEST JEDI EVAR!!11". The facts say that he is #2 on the council- meaning not as powerful as yoda. Doesn't anyone else think that they took the fact that he was given a good part as #2 jedi (on the council) in AOTC and ran away with it?

The genndy tartakovsky clone wars cartoon was one of the first to do this with the episode that placed him on a pedestal by having him take out an entire army of droids by himself witch we know is impossible (AOTC arena) and then everyone just kind of went from there and thinks so highly of him to the point where he is made out to be some kind of "all powerful" jedi.

Basically we saw him fight droids in AOTC and then get pretty much fooled by sidious in ROTS. We saw Anakin and obi-wan do things that are far more impressive in the PT and they are more important characters so im just wondering if anyone else thinks that mace is just a little overrated.

 

Mace is very arrogant, and a wannabe hero. But, guess what, he is Sam Jackson, so yes he is the coolest and most powerful Jedi in the Galaxy

(This is basically why i believe people admire him so much)

Dont tell anyone, or they will boil me in oil

 

Yea i love Sam Jackson just as much as the next person but IMO its more "classy" having him be in the trilogy as a normal supporting character not as some kind of major player -witch technically if you look at JUST the movie, he never was. He was never made out to be anything more than just "one of the jedi" in the PT. Its just that his profile is the most interesting of the council members because it says that he is #2 on the council after yoda.

 

He also speaks more than any other council member than Yoda and has the most to do in the films of any council member besides Yoda. So really, the films back up the profile in this.

 

Plus, He's MACE MOTHER******* WINDU!

 

That really only proves the original poster's point...

 

lol exactly

 

Tha fact that he overpowers Sidious might have something to do with why some people rate him highly.

 

obi-rob,

Think of it this way: Mace Windu is the Boba Fett of the PT. Neither one of them does anything particularly impressive in the movies, but they still come off as cool (Fett because of a well-designed costume, Windu because he's SLJ). These guys are cool even when they're just standing around not doing anything. They make people go, "I wonder what HIS story is?" to a greater degree than with similar characters like Yak-Face and that q-tip-headed Jedi. The producers of the EU latch onto this and produce works that play up these 'cool' characters, in some cases making them more powerful than they were ever depicted on screen in the films.

Then there's the final step, in which the character from the EU gets re-integrated into the movies by Lucas, which ironically enough diminishes the characters. The fans love Boba Fett? Let's shoehorn a backstory for him into Episode II (thereby turning him into a silly daddy's-boy clone unlike the mysterious figure he once was)! The fans love Mace Windu, and Jackson doesn't want to "go out like a punk"? Let's make him a central figure in Anakin's turn (turning the character into a stubborn fool whose shortsightedness is almost singlehandedly responsible for Anakin's turn and the subsequent fall of the Republic).

Such is how cool background characters are destroyed.

 

Just for the record Boba fett was always part of the back story of the clone wars and stormtroopers ever since TESB was written. His character was ALWAYS, from the beginning involved in that. The only change that was made was instead of him being the central figure in that back story it was his father and then him because there needed to be a villain in that movie that actually died at the end. It explains this in zombie's book "the secret history of star wars".

He was not a "daddy's boy" he just honored his father by striving to be the best worrier he could be. The mandalorians had a lot of strong belief in honor, whos to say jango wasn't trying to honer his dead father by striving to be the best.

 

Why is he then a bounty hunter?
Doesn't strike me as a very honorable job, shooting people in the back and all.

 

Wait what? Who says that a bounty hunter shoots people in the back?

 

I haven't heard many people rating Mace as the greatest or the best Jedi ever. Many people, even his fans, acknowledge that he was arrogant and demonstrated questionable judgment at times.

He is often rated as being powerful, however, and I don't see anything in the films which contradicts that summation.

 

Well, he's a bounty hunter. Fairness isn't exactly in the job description.

 

Oh, yeah. He is way overrated. Big time! You just summed up what I always felt in a neat, little ol' package. Bravo, good sir. Bravo.


"...and then get pretty much fooled by sidious in ROTS"
This line made me chuckle.

 

Mace Windu is awesome. If I had to go into battle with one Jedi Knight, he'd be the one. You can tell he's old-school, a staunch traditionalist, stern yet probably wise and not entirely unforgiving. Took down Darth Sidious, too. That says alot. (that is to say, if his victory was authentic, but let's not get into that again!) If any Jedi is overrated, judging by the PT, it's got to be Yoda.

 

All of the Jedi, in fact pretty much the whole Republic, got fooled by Sidious. I guess that makes everyone overrated!

BTW, Lucas saying that Mace overpowered Sidious is good enough for me on that count.

Although it saddens me to say it, I have to agree about Yoda.

 

...As wise as Master Yoda, and as powerful as Master Windu.-Anakin

Yoda's the brains; Mace is the badass.

 

My money is on this:

Prior to penning Mace's clone wars cartoon episode, tartakovsky opened his smuggled bottle of Corellian Rumm, and downed it while watching Pulp Fiction. Can any of us argue with the results?

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Onscreen, Mace did have a bunch of dialog and he delivered it in the most arrogant, stand-off-ish manner. As much as love SLJ, Mace was the biggest ***** on the Council...

I remember my initial reaction to: "No. He will not be trained."
For a moment, I almost hated ol Sam.

 

Yeah, he can come across as a prize ********. But that doesn't make him overrated. I don't think many people rate him for niceness or people skills.

 

Yoda's more powerful than Windu, and Anakin knows that.

 

Like everyone has said, yeah Mace is a little overrated and respected for nothing.

But, the way I see it, Mace is the BA. Yoda would tell Dooku to surrender as a Jedi to a former Jedi, Mace cuts the crap and tells him "THIS PARTY'S OVER."

 

Because bounty hunting is an extremely dangerous job and only a fool would restrict his options. And Boba is certainly not a fool.

 

Although he might be a bit overrated, he still is a force to be reckoned with. I agree with this.

 

The starwars.com databank says he's "on par with the venerable Yoda." He certainly lacks Yoda's wisdom, but he's supposed to be roughly as powerful.

Mace is the only person to defeat the Emperor in a duel. Overall, Obi-Wan and Anakin are certainly more significant, but Mace is one of the most significant Jedi in the Prequel era.

Which is what's great about him. Before Mace, we had only seen kinder, more compassionate Jedi like Qui-Gon, Yoda, and Ben Kenobi. Mace then demonstrates that while those Jedi existed, there were also old-school, hard-*** traditionalists. Of course, I really only started to like the character after reading Shatterpoint, so I get why some people take issue with him.