Mace's replacement in Shatterpoint

"Yoda was so strong in the Force and he probably could have pwned Vastor without even touching him."

I'm not too sure about that. Mace got pwned by Kar, and hes not all that weaker than Yoda. Mace explicitly stated that Kar was the most powerful force presence he had ever encountered, and Kar also has a big advantage of being in a familiar environment. Yoda could probably beat him on Coruscant, but Kar has a strange and powerful attunement to his natural Korun environment. Even if Yoda beat him he'd still have to contend with all Vastor's cronies. Mace got around this through the hand-to-hand fight, but I'm not sure how Yoda would have solved this conundrum. I just don't see it as Yoda's mission... Obi-Wan might actually have a chance too because he's intelligent. I don't know Plo Koon's IQ, but I think a theme in Shatterpoint was the triumph of resourcefulness over raw power. Vastor is more powerful than Mace, but he loses because hes an arrogant moron. That being said, I think Obi-Wan could have been a good choice, and I'm sure he would have done something smart... However, he also might have been skewered by Depa or Kar.

 

Yoda's raw power of the Force is more than Vastor's, plus he's damn fast..

 

Obi-Wan might have defeated Kar, as you said, but there's no way he's gonna defeat Depa. He's a good swordsman, but certainly not an excellent one, we all know he couldn't put up much of a fight against Dooku. There is no way Obi-Wan was going to last long against Depa. And she wouldn't have stopped like she did with Mace. Yoda is very acrobatic in his movement and would probably just dodge all of Depa's strikes and disarm her.

 

"Yoda's raw power of the Force is more than Vastor's..."

Well not according to Mace. Raw power is overrated though, for Yoda could probably beat him, and he'd definetly beat Depa too. I think Kar is more powerful than Depa... he definetly has tremendous raw power, but his hubris is his undoing. I'm not sure Obi-Wan could have defeated Vastor, though its possible he would have outsmarted him and overcome his own inferiority in raw power. I don't think he'd stand much of a chance against Depa.... At least Episode 2 Obi-Wan--hopefully he'll improve in skill by the next movie.

 

Other then Mace....hmmmmm

I think that Obiwan may have stood a chance, but often he does not react quick enough

I think one jedi who could have done this mission with no prob is Dooku, especially if it was a Younger Dooku....

 

A fight would between Yoda and Vastor would be hilarious. Vastor makes Mace look small. Imagine him reaching down to swing at Yoda.

 

Obi-Wan. 2 out of three Sith PT fights result in him winning. Depa wouldn't stand a chance if he were fresh, and neither would Kar.

 

"Depa wouldn't stand a chance if he were fresh, and neither would Kar."

I dont know about that, seeing as how Mace said he couldn't beat Kar even at his best. He also said he was the only one capable of stopping Depa if it came to a fight.

 

"I think one jedi who could have done this mission with no prob is Dooku..."

I'm not sure I agree with that. I think it would take a more physical and strong opponent to defeat Kar, and I don't believe Dooku's elegant fencing techniques could overcome the brutal Kar and his jungle rules. Depa on the other hand, would certainly fall to the Count.

 

Jocasta Nu.

As a librarian, she could use her sheer old-maid aura to defuse the source of Vastor's power: his libido. I mean, what do you think all that "Jungle-Wild-Man" crap was about.

I'm tellin' you, he gots tha' size and the stamina!

 

Windu only got beat up since he didn't want to use the Force directly.

When Vastor started using it himself, when he couldn't beat Windu hand to hand, that's only when Windu lost. And rather lamely, I might add. Getting bounced into a tree a few times . . .

 

I liked how Shatterpoint not only showcased Mace's power, but also showed him as vulnerable and beatable.

Anyway... does anyone think Qui-Gon would've stood a chance had he still been around? He was really into the whole "living Force" thing... apart from that I think only Mace could've handled the situation.

How old is Depa?

 

Obi-Wan. 2 out of three Sith PT fights result in him winning.

Strange, I only count 2 fights.

Depa would be roughly 40.

 

i think Jocasta Nu would pwn Vastor... her arrogance about the jedi archives would show him!

 

"You're not in the Jedi Archives, so it appears you do not exist"

 

I think the third fight he's referring to is against Anakin/Vader in Ep III . In which he evidently wins, though there's of course much debate on whether it's going to be a close shave or a demonstration of Obi-Wan's superiority as a Jedi.

Though I still don't think that the AOTC-time period Obi-Wan could have taken Depa. Much less Kar. Though I do think Obi-Wan has the resourcefulness, if The Cestus Deception is any indication.

The only problem I have with Depa being 40-ish is that if Mace is 50, and he found her as an infant, he would have to have been knighted at around the age where everyone else is getting assigned to a Master! Those little discrepancies bug me... but if Depa's 30, then Mace would've been knighted probably before he was 20, and Depa likely even faster, if she becomes a Master and sits on the Council when Mace is only 40... the numbers are dizzying, sometimes.

Or maybe Mace really did rescue her when he was a pre-teen, and had a vested interest in her from the beginning, then took her on as a Padawan when she was the right age. What would that be, twelve or thirteen? And say Mace is 26 or so... and say Depa is knighted at around 20... which would make Mace in his early thirties... and in the next few years Depa could conceivably become a Master, and get a [relatively low] spot on the Council (one of the temporary ones that gets rotated?) shortly before TPM. That does seem fairly feasible; I guess I never thought of it that way. Though if there has actually been a comic or story with Mace as an adult killing those pirates, then my theory is moot.

I apologize for my rambling, by the way...

 

Let's say Mace is 15 when he rescues her. He is knighted at 18, trains Echuu Shen-Jon, when he is finished he is 27, then he starts training Depa, is finished with her in 7-8 year, that makes him about 35, then Depa gets called master and is elected on the council in the years before TPM. That would make her about 35 in Shatterpoint.

 

age does not matter. if it would, yoda would easily pwn all.

 

Yes, yes, I like that... though I didn't know Mace had an apprentice prior to Depa.

To keep us from straying too far from the topic (sorry!), here's another idea: Kit Fisto? I didn't much care for the introduction of so many background characters in AOTC, but I grew attached to Barris Offee reading The Approaching Storm, and despite my initial impression of Kit as a bit of a joke (anyone remember that ridiculous grin?) I didn't at all mind him in The Cestus Deception. If we're to accept Form I as the "wild, raw" style as depicted in TCD--which I can buy; the "basic" moves of Form I would be easier than the other Forms' more advanced techniques to string together fluidly, right?--then it's not too much of a stretch to say that Form VII/Vaapad brings it all full circle. Kit's more emotionally intense than most of the other Jedi we've seen, but also displays admirable control. I think he would've been at bigger risk than Mace against pelekotan, but maybe he would've worked better with Kar. Then again, maybe he would've just pissed Kar off even faster...

 

Kit is definetly an exceptional hand-to-hand fighter. TCD gave us hints that he was better than Obi-Wan at it. However, when he whipped out the lightsaber to battle Asajj Ventress, he almost got killed. Actually, he would have been killed if Obi-Wan didn't stop her in time. Obi-Wan is has exceptional control with a lightsaber.

As for Mace, he could beat Depa. He just didn't want to kill her. How can he hurt his old Padawan, when Vaapad is wanting to win?

Does Agen Kolar know how to use crucitorn?

Imagine Oppo Rancsis in Shatterpoint

 

Don't go by physical facial age. You can't compare Earthian ages with denizens in another galaxy. Xizor looked 30 but was a 100.

 

yeah, and chewbacca was already about 200 in ANH, but he looked like ... uhm... ah well, let's leave that.

 

Tiedot, age does matter, cause when you're young, you're reckless and do stupid things like rushing into battle against Dooku. I couldn't see a more aged Anakin do that.

 

What special skills does Plo Koon have anyway? Other than Electric Judgment..

 

JOrt as the outcome of the Obi/Vader duel hove been known for at least twenty years (at least, if you read the ROTJ novelization way back in 1983) I think that one counts as well.

Yeah, Qui-Gon might win. I think his cool centeredness would decidedly unnerve Vastor. Who else meditates in the middle of a sabre duel? And he certainly gave a good show when he caught Maul off-guard after kicking Obi-Wan. At least, until those bloody gates intervened.

And besides, I just whupped Mace in Star Wars: Obi-Wan..Took me a frigging week, but O owned him in the end