Man the Lakers are getting killed!

Question: Why aren't you guys posting in the Official NBA Playoffs thread? I've given two links in this thread so far and body seems to care. This thread is redundant. Period.

 

You want to know why they lost this game tonight. It is very simple.

Webber can't go inside because the Lakers pack it in the paint.

The only way you can beat the Lakers is with outside shooting.

Thats why the kings were destroying them, they were making there shots from outside early on.

Game seven they werent. Webber cant go to the Low post with Shaq and everyone else in the paint. Especially when his teammates arent hitting outside shots at all.

Look how open the Kings were around the 3 point line. They took way to many 3s. You arent going to hit those with all that pressure.

The Kings should have taken alot of mid range jumpers.

 

I give the Lakers's a hell of alot of credit but, even Phil Jackson said that the Kings outplayed them and, its true. The kings couldn't sink their freethrows which really hurt them. If they would've sunk the free's, there would have been no overtime. I do beleive that if Stoyacovich played the whole series Kings would've won but, thats the way the game goes. I new the game was over when they could've taken a four point lead in overtime and went for a three point shot, it was greedy and a stupid call. At any rate, I still beleive they're the best team in the west and the east but, I'll have to wait for next year to see it.

Darth_Tyrannous The canadian signature and Sacremento Kings signature, I?m proud of you guys

 

You can't play what if games. You say 'what if Stoyacovich played all seven games',

I could come back with, "What if Fischer played up to his usual standard."

or "What if Shaq wasn't plagued with injuries"

or "What if Kobe didn't get food poisening"

then I could go way back and say, "What if Tyron Lou was still with the Lakers, and they had someone that could actually guard Bibby"

What-ifs are pointless.

 

if the Kings are the best team in the NBA, they should have won. Christie & Webber should have made their shots during OT. they falled under the pressure. you don't prove that you're the best in the NBA by losing.


Go Lakers, we knew you could do it.

 

What, do the Kings have to win 6 out of 7 games to prove they are better? The Lakers only have to win 2 of 7 games? That makes them a better team?

I thought it was first to win 4 which is what the Kings did.

 

I thought it was first to win 4 which is what the Kings did.

Riiight...

Explain to me how that is true when the series ended with the Lakers with 4 W's and the Kings 3 W's.

 

read the articles from a couple pages back.

The Kings had game 4 and 6 stolen from them by the officials.

 

Yea, blame it on the refs.. That's certainly the easy way out.

 

DId you watch all of the games?

 

Yes, I did.

 

And you thought everything was fine?

 

No, the reffing is always bad. But to say that the refs were favoring the Lakers is BS. Shaq is fouled everytime he's in the paint, period. He didn't have one possesion in the paint during that series where he wasn't fouled. Anyone who knows good reffing would see that, too. The refs need to stop watching the game and start calling it.

And don't get me started on Vlade's flopping.

Edit: By watching I mean for them to blow the freaken whistle instead of choking on it.

 

I think this is really where the problem is.

There is probably the same debate among officials that we are having.

Some officials probably agree with me and some officials feel the same way you do.

Maybe if the NBA adressed this problem and made the officials make consitent calls we would not have this problem.

The thing is that Webber has the same problem. You want to talk about flopping look at Horry guarding Webber. He does the same flopping that you say Vlade does, but Webber always gets called for an offensive foul.

Derrick Fisher is also a notorious flopper. They say he is "drawing a charge" though, why dont they say the Lakers are floppers, just Divac?

 

Don't get me wrong, I've seen the Lakers do their fair share of flopping, too. I just think that Vlade is very excessive with his flopping.

Derek Fisher has never done what Vlade does. He's never pushed off of an opponent and flung his body backward to draw a foul. Fisher is genuinely pushed on his flops. Now, pushed to the point of falling down? I don't know.

They don't say the Lakers are floppers because the Lakers base their gameplay on talent and running offense. Not trying to draw a foul or get a call their way. Which, in my opinion, is basically all Vlade does everytime he steps on the floor.

 

No seriously, Horry and Derrick Fisher are very crafty.

Fish does fall on his own, he does "push off" So does Horry.

Now I dont have a problem with that. Just dont call Vlade a flopper, they are all trying to draw a charge.

Shaq always says people try to flop on him, and that he would never flop.

I saw him flop when Karl Malone was guarding him. lol


It is just a veteran move. You have the choice of either taking the abuse and then the refs arew definately not going to call it. Or trying to draw the charge.

I am just saying if you are going to let the Lakers get away with flopping then let vlade get away with it too.

If you are going to call vlade a flopper call horry and Fish floppers.

 

It's mildly amusing that when this thread was posted, the belief was that the Kings were getting favorable calls (they had a significant advantage in FTA through four games) and that the Lakers were crybabies.

If I'm not mistaken, the Kings shot more free throws in the series so make a few of those (at home, no less) and all those close games go their way in the end.

Accept it, BoboliFett, the Kings had numerous chances to go for the jugular (with all those FTA and all the big leads) and came up short once again.

 

Everyone knows the Kings really won this series.

The only ones who don't are some zealot Lakers fans.

Even the Lakers know the Kings won this series.

 

Vlade is on a completely different level of flopping than Fish and Horry. He shouldn't even be put in the same category as them.

He's like the Master of flops, he probably practices it during regular team practices.

Comparing Vlade's flopping to that of Fish and Horry is like comparing a bowling ball to a golf ball. Err.. my point is that Vlade flops so much that he should have the title of flopper. Horry and Fish shouldn't.. They're ball players.

Edit:the Kings had numerous chances to go for the jugular

I agree, the Kings got two open three point attempts in the end of game seven which they air-balled. It's pure psychological. The Kings just buckled under the pressure.

Edit2:Even the Lakers know the Kings won this series.

No, the Lakers acknowledge the fact that the Kings played better basketball than they did during the series. Stop putting words in their mouths.

 

You are totally wrong. They are Floppers, maybe Divac is'nt as good at it.

You are also forgetting that Horry and Fish dont have to guard Shaq, the offensive fouling and elbowing machine.

If they were in the same situation they would do the same thing.

 

The Kings knew they had to win it as soon as possible. Thats why game 6 was so important.

The longer it went the more difficult it was going to get for the Kings and easier for the Lakers.

That is why game 6 was such a travesty.

 

Actually, I was surprised at how much Shaq didn't offensively foul his opponent during the Kings-Lakers series.

He doesn't usually keep it under that much control. Which, for a guy his size, is a lot harder than you would think.

 

That is because early on he was getting called for it.

Then as the series progessed they let him get away with everything. Then he just rolled with it.

The thing is most people didnt see this pattern early on. I never heard about anyone talking about the officiating.

I saw the same thing during the finals last year. They let Shaq just wail on Mutumbo.

It was unbelieveable. Mutombos lips were all torn up, from Shaq's big ol elbows. lol

People are just starting to get it. It is bizarre to me.

 

Then as the series progessed they let him get away with everything.

Umm.. He fouled out of game 5. I'd say that's pretty far into the series, too. Wouldn't you? Fouling out is hardly getting away with everything.

And, if I recall correctly, that was an inadvertent elbow by Shaq during the Finals last year. Mutombo's lip shouldn't have been there, anyway.



If you watch tapes of that series, by the way, you'll see that Mutombo was murdering Shaq almost every time he got the ball. It's no surprise, either.. It's what they have to do to attempt to stop him. Which, is part of the reason I think the refs don't call more fouls in his favor when he's on the offensive glass. It's because they would be blowing the whistle every time he got the ball.

 

Yeah because game 5 did'nt matter. When it mattered, when the Lakers faced elimination, they let Shaq get away with everything.

I can't explain it. It is like those articles said it's totally bizarre. It looks like the officials are following some pattern.

I will tell you this though, I have seen many games where they call fouls early on in the game against Shaq, then late in the game the Lakers will get very agressive and thats when the officials let the lakers and especially shaq get away with everything.

This is the same pattern that the series with the Kings followed. It is bizarre but true. It's fascinating to me lol

I mean they say that usually the more agressive team gets the calls. maybe this is part of that I dont know. It is just weird.