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Mando'a class (Mandalorian language)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by KarenTraviss, Sep 12, 2005.

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  1. iivin

    iivin Jedi Youngling

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    I have a question about Mando'ade.
    'Jehaat' is Mandalorian for 'lie'.
    And, 'Jahaatir' is 'to decieve'.

    However, in Triple Zero, Kal Skirata used the word 'Jehaati'.
    I have done some research and believe that adding the letter 'i' (pronounced ee in Mando'ade)to the end of a word in this manner changes the word to mean the act of doing the initial word. So, Jehaat (lie) becomes Jehaati (to lie/lying) when following this formula.

    Can you please clarify this point, as it will help in my understanding of this wonderful language.

    Kandossi

    iivin
     
  2. Corran_Fett

    Corran_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    A verb like "jahaatir" is conjugated by removing the "-r" from the infinitive form. It's only this one form of conjugation, making it pretty easy.

    "Ni jahaati" thereby means "I lie/I'm lying".

    (And nope, I am not lying about this... :p )
     
  3. ARC-77

    ARC-77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Conjugation is pretty simple in Mando'a, there's really only infinitive and present. There are sentence prefixes you can use for past or present, bu they aaren't typically used. Here's a link to the Mando'a guide on Karen Traviss' website. You can find a dictionary of all the words off of the main page, too.
     
  4. BENSKYWAKER

    BENSKYWAKER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Hey guys! Does anyone know how to say "You threaten my people with slavery and death!" in Mando'a? That would be a really cool quote in Mando'a to shout at my friends.

    I'll keep looking but if anyone knows please tell me.
     
  5. Corran_Fett

    Corran_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    @BEN
    Sorry, there's no word for slave or slavery.


    Everyone check out the latest version of the dictionary, updated a few days ago:
    http://karentraviss.com/html/cont_newmandoa.htm

    I'll be providing a list of the changes some time next week.
     
  6. ARC-77

    ARC-77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Actually, there is a Mando'a word for slavery, but I can't remember what it is. If you have Triple Zero, Ben, Skirata calls the Hutt that in his first scene at the bar.
     
  7. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Shag, I think it was. But that was the Huttese word for slave.
     
  8. ARC-77

    ARC-77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Oops.:oops: I knew it began with s, and just checked through the Mando'a lexicon, and didn't find it. My mistake.
     
  9. Kargush

    Kargush Jedi Youngling

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    Just a question to ms. Traviss(or anyone else who might know). I've read that there are several different dialects of Mando'a, such as that of the Concord Dawn and of Mandalore itself. So I was curious: I know the basics of vowel sounds and such, but would it be viable to create a new dialect of Mando'a using Scandinavian vowel sounds? It's an idea I have you see, but I'd like some feedback on it.

    Thanks!
     
  10. Commando_of_the_year

    Commando_of_the_year Jedi Youngling

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    if you want new words, go to karen Traviss's site and get the entire lexicon of all known Mando'a words
     
  11. Commando_of_the_year

    Commando_of_the_year Jedi Youngling

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    I found the same thing on the wiki website. you should do some research before jumping on a guy for posting something, aruetii hut'uun
     
  12. Commando_of_the_year

    Commando_of_the_year Jedi Youngling

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    I found the same thing on the wiki website. you should do some research before jumping on a guy for posting something, aruetii hut'uun
    Karen also comments on how hard it is to write in the mando'a script and she thinks that they originally carved it
     
  13. Commando_of_the_year

    Commando_of_the_year Jedi Youngling

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    I obtained this list very easily off of Karen's website. Maybe you should look there for the massive list of words
     
  14. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Please, please, please learn to use the Preview and Edit buttons.
     
  15. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    Gaa'tayl!
    I'm currently battling the language and wonder if there's nice tables around somewhere.
    Numbers would be good, declined pronouns, tenses, the stuff you usually get tables for in grammar books.[face_batting]

    Is anybody working on a textbook for this already?
     
  16. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah, I don't think pronouns are declined at all. There don't seem to be any tenses to speak of, either. It's really more of a simple cipher than an out and out language. You've checked her site, yes?

    That said...

    Haar Empire cuyi parjir bat an kyrbej!

    Wow, that really doesn't have the same panache. I'll stick to Basic and High Galactic [aka English and Latin], methinks.
     
  17. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    Regular?o_O
    Ni and ner vor I and all it's forms except there seems to be no reflexis pronoun for it. Not for any other pronoun except 'it' (itself -> ast)
    But then again it doesn't seem to have a genitiv. Which I like to mix up with posessive forms anyway8-}
    And I can't find a translation for 'us' which is Akkusative and Dativ and the possessiv pronoun seems to be only mhor, which is archaic.

    I'm sure the table would look pretty boring in Mando, but I like tables right now I keep throwing things around. I'd rather nail them down in neat boxes. [face_blush]

    The same for times. I'd gladly take anything which told me: Doesn't matter if it's past, past progressive or any form of perfect, just use: <insert correct form here>

    </whining end>
    [face_blush]
     
  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, that's what I mean. Not even the pronouns have declensions...they have no difference between nominative, dative, or accusative (or in English, subjective and objective cases). No genitive either--it seems that the nominative form is the only form, and its meaning depends on context.

    The grammar file doesn't even seem to list a past tense at all, not even a simple past--I imagine that like with the pronouns, the time placement will depend on context clues from the other words and not the morphology of the verb.

    Frustrating, I know, but simplicity has its own complications.

    (N.b. All these claims are based on my own reading of the info on the site--I could be entirely wrong)
     
  19. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    [face_hypnotized]
    I think past is 'ru' fine with me, you English are having an overabdunance of past tenses anyway. :p

    it seems that the nominative form is the only form, and its meaning depends on context

    Which would make Mandos the Masters of ambigiousness, double meanings and double entendres. With much less words, of course.
    It might be interesting to explore the possibilities of such a inrestricted use of words.
    Assuming I ever learn them vocabularies.

    There are markes for cases, though. I'm not sure if they're obligatory yet.[face_blush]

    And subjunctive. If anybody ever finds it, I'd like to know. A language without it seems strange to me. Or is 'meh' just taken as marker for subjunctive?

    Besides I want a word for 'get up/stand up'. There seem to be many ways to get a Mando down, but no word for him getting up again.:confused:
     
  20. patchworkz7

    patchworkz7 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think you're right. At least I've never heard Karen say anything otherwise.

    I don't think she ever pretended to be a linguistics prof, and the whole point of Mando'a was a fun excercise that grew from the Rep Com lyrics when she wanted a base for a few phrases. Fans asked for more, and it has been an unpaid, although LFL approved, evolving project done in her spare time ever since.

    It was meant to be an easy to pick up toy to play with an enjoy, and I know she wasn't really all that happy to see some people use it as a means to slag other people on forums and the other ways in which is got out of hand.

    While I wouldn't say that the lanugage is never going to evolve in complexity, I seriously doubt it's the first thing on her plate.
     
  21. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    I know she wasn't really all that happy to see some people use it as a means to slag other people on forums and the other ways in which is got out of hand.

    But it would be okay to use? As a language, I mean. I got a post to take off, if not.[face_worried]
     
  22. patchworkz7

    patchworkz7 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Oh, yeah, I don't think anyone cares about that. I don't know if that many people use it around here, but I was just pointing out that some people got a little carried away with using it to slip some insults in and generally create a bad sort of vibe around the whole thing that left her a bit dismayed.

    The best thing to do is just watch her website, as she tries to update her stuff there quarterly.
     
  23. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

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    Well, I can understand, those insults are great!:D
    But where's the fun, if the other doesn't understand it? And where did I put the scientific phrase for group-binding insults.:oops: *bugger*

    Hrmpf, what am I supposed to do with a language that's not used. *sigh*
    I'm probably just too late for the hype.:(
     
  24. patchworkz7

    patchworkz7 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There are quite a few Mando groups, fansites, RPG groups, and others, out there using the language. I'd suggest a quick google for them. I know there are fan pages out there, but I'm not really up on a lot of the Mando language stuff, and I tend to just ignore most of it in the text except to pick up context.

    I don't doubt there are fan groups that would welcome someone wanting to use the language in convo, I just don't know that it's really very large around here.
     
  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    That's why it's far easier to use a real language for in-character purposes. Latin works perfectly for High Galactic, and that's how I'm using it. :cool:

    So it comes with thousands of years worth of vocabular, tenses, moods, declensions, and all that good stuff.
     
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