Mara Jade Hater Club

Yeah, I didn't like Anakin Solo either, but still...considering that he was one of Mara's most ardent admirers (you're lucky you missed the scene in "Balance Point" where Anakin stood awestruck by his aunt's beautiful red-gold hair and stunning figure; Mara then said, "Don't drool on the carpet"), you'd think she'd feel a little sorrow over his loss. Someone as self-centered as she is would no doubt miss having yet another person gape and gawp at her beauty.

Gross! An adolescent drooling over his own 40+ year old aunt?! Excuse me while I go retch.

What was even more disgusting than Mara's behavior in SbS was her fans' excuses for it: "No, she was just being a good mother! Luke's grief could've created a Force-storm and driven Ben insane!"

ROTFLMAO! Are they actually serious? That's the funniest, most ludicrous thing I've heard all day!

 

Gross! An adolescent drooling over his own 40+ year old aunt?! Excuse me while I go retch.

It was pretty revolting.

ROTFLMAO! Are they actually serious? That's the funniest, most ludicrous thing I've heard all day!

Yeah, it was pretty funny. It's odd how Leia fans can admit that she screwed up by putting her work ahead of her family, but Mara fans can never admit their Red Gold Goddess has done wrong.

 

::raises hand::

oh she did! Mara did things wrong! lotsa things! which is good! cause i do things wrong too! and so does everyone in the whole wide world! and people who dont do things wrong are boring at least characters @.@

she's been promoted to goddess? cool! Like, i only thought that she as the Queen of the Whole Wide Universe!

(im in a particularly silly mood tonight 0.o)

believe it or not, people do drool over 40 year olds o.o um...liam neeson? harrison ford? they're over 40...and there are bunches of over-40 women who guys consider sexy from what i hear)

um, drooling over one's aunt? at least she isn't related to Anakin! =O LMAO! that was a bit wierd though 0o dear lord, but that's the author and the situations she wrote you have issues with, not Mara X)

 

*ignores Jedi_JoJo's post*

It's odd how Leia fans can admit that she screwed up by putting her work ahead of her family, but Mara fans can never admit their Red Gold Goddess has done wrong.

Very true, Shelley. I really wish someone--preferably Luke or Leia--would just finally get fed up with her BS and put Mara in her place. I doubt that'll happen any time soon (given that the EU authors turned them into meek, spineless globs of jelly), but you never know.

 

I was never a big Mara Jade fan. She irritated me in HTTE big time. "Oh, boo hoo, Luke, you killed the Emperor and ruined my life." Yeah, as opposed to all the lives YOU ruined when you were his Hand. Whatever. But I still tolerated her up until the HoT books, when her hypocrisy is revealed (Luke's wrong about turning to the dark side, and Mara for some reason isn't? Puh-leaze!). Her attitude toward Leia in the NJO, especially, pissed me off (you'd think she would at least show some compassion toward Leia after she lost her son, but nooooooo; all Mara cares about is BEN! BEN! BEN!). How insensitive can a person get? I also don't like how other characters, namely Han and Leia, are constantly shafted in exchange for gag-worthy Luke/Mara scenes with their annoying little demonspawn.

Granted, she's not as bad as some other characters (Akanah, gag me), but she's pretty close.

I've read through the entire thread, and am impressed by some of the arguments made here (especially from Shelley, Jedi_Bratzilla, and Jedi15). And in response to Jedi_JoJo's previous post:

oh she did! Mara did things wrong! lotsa things! which is good! cause i do things wrong too! and so does everyone in the whole wide world! and people who dont do things wrong are boring at least characters @.@

This just further emphasizes the point that you haven't even been reading the posts here at all. We don't hate Mara because she was EVIL. Luke and Vader did terrible things as well. But they redeemed themselves, at a terrible price (in Vader's case, his own life). Mara has paid no such price. No penance, nothing. Oh, her ship gets destroyed. Big deal.

In the course of the series, we have never ONCE seen Mara pay for her crimes. EVER. As someone earlier mentioned, even Kyp had to suffer for what he had done. Where's Mara penance?

she's been promoted to goddess? cool! Like, i only thought that she as the Queen of the Whole Wide Universe!

I won't even go into how pathetic that makes you sound. I weep for you.

(im in a particularly silly mood tonight 0.o)

Does that explain your atrocious grammar? Spell/Grammar check is your friend.

believe it or not, people do drool over 40 year olds o.o um...liam neeson? harrison ford? they're over 40...and there are bunches of over-40 women who guys consider sexy from what i hear)

What do Liam Neeson and Harrison Ford have anything to do with this? Sure, I think many men and women in their 40s are sexy, but I would NEVER drool over my own RELATIVE! That's disgusting beyond words.

um, drooling over one's aunt? at least she isn't related to Anakin! =O LMAO!

She's married to Luke, who is Anakin's uncle. Therefore, she's Anakin's aunt. And therefore, she's RELATED to him. Not by blood, but she's still a relative! How hard is that for you to grasp?

Tell me, Jedi_JoJo, have you ever drooled over a relative of yours before? Have you ever thought of one of your relatives as "sexy"? I sure hope not.

that was a bit wierd though 0o dear lord, but that's the author and the situations she wrote you have issues with, not Mara X)

Wrong. It's both the author and the character we have issues with. Deal with it.

Why do you keep coming to this thread if you love Mara so much? You don't see any of us haters intruding on the Mara Fans thread, telling them how much we hate their favorite character, do you? It would be nice if you extended the same courtesy to us.

 

Hi there, fellow haters.

I just want to tell JoJo to take a dip in her ranch sauce and leave us alone.

Actually, JoJo the Ranch-style Jedi, I galavanized a subtle campaign of hatred for Mara which has actually turned the tide against her. I really notice a lot more Mara bashers in the Lit. forum, and I am quite proud of my consistant and steady work in this area. I will continue to deprogram the brainwashed with vicious assaults of logic, sarcasm, and smugness. (I took pointers from Miss Clairol #208RR (Sunset Red) herself.) I was actually referred to by someone as a "Renowned Mara Hater", and this is only the second post I have here!!!

 

Bravo, Empress Palpatine!

Tiershon_Fett...thanks for your steady work. IMO the more Mara-haters come out of the woodwork, the better. It's about time the red-gold strumpet quit being held up as an untouchable goddess.

 

the only books ive read with her are the Corellian Tri., but i hated her in that book, maybe in someother book she doesnt suck, but i doubt it

she is way overrated

 

Mara deserves comeuppance. All the other characters have been made to pay for their mistakes. When is she going to?

All the EU authors are biased toward her, and in order to elevate her, they slam the other characters, particularly Leia.

I am a Leia fan and I am tired of seeing her get all the grief. Yes, she made a mistake in putting her career ahead of her family. But you know what? She paid dearly for it. DEARLY. And unlike Mara, the servant of evil, she was FIGHTING evil. She was trying to make the galaxy a better place. Mara was serving her own galaxy-size ego.

I am sick and tired of Mara fans saying Leia and H/L fans are whiners. I'd love to see how THEY'D react if Mara went through what Leia has been made to go through in the NJO.

I don't think Mara is "kewl" and "kicks butt." She's a hateful shrew. Leia could, and can, be b*tchy sometimes but she balances it off with compassion and tenderness, and a conscience. What does Mara balance it off with? Insensitivity, self-centeredness, self-righteousness--notice how many times "self" appears.

Yet Mara is fawned over and treated like a real heroine. If I had a daughter, I'd be alarmed if she idolized Mara.

I would love to see Leia, Luke, or SOMEBODY put Mara in her place. She is not a goddess and she doesn't deserve to be treated like one.

 

A few questions to anyone who actually likes Mara.

1. What redeeming charachteristics does she possess? (as a person not a charachter)

2. Do you actually like the way she has turned the original SW Hero into a complete and utter wimp.

3. Do you actually like the way she treats Leia (former chief of state) like a pathetic nobody.

4. How can she possibly be a Jedi Master. She was a poodle of Palpatine and could not use the force after he died until HoT. She then became a master in no time despite lecturing Luke on making himself a Master after only 10 years.

I must confess that I liked Mara in TTT but this was because this was the role that she created for. Mara and Luke getting married was one of the worst things that every happened to the EU.

 

DarthKarde couldn't have said it better myself.

 

What I get a laugh over every time is when Mara-shippers say: Well, Kathy Tyers wrote her good, other authors just don't understand her!*whine whine....*

Well if there are 25 books, and the character is written 'okay' in one book and good in five, then the sucky majority of 19 rules. Doesn't it? Is there no law of averages in the GFFA?

In the majority of books, even Mara fans say she's awful, but it's because she's 'written bad'. No, she just sux. Not every author is that bad, but they interpret her as being mean and shallow; because she is. Authors aren't blinded by affection. They have an outline, and work to do. Maybe all the lovers should step out of the dazzling red-gold light and see if the 'bad writers' have a point about Mara, as in, not much to work with...

 

Amen, DarthKarde!

And Tiershon_Fett, that's an excellent point. Kathy Tyers wrote her more sympathetically because she likes her, and likes her with Luke. It seems that the majority of other authors write her as an insensitive, self-centered shrew...because that's what she is.

 

Bravo, Empress Palpatine!

Thank you, Shelley.

Has anyone else here noticed that Jedi_JoJo and her fellow Mara fans haven't posted here in quite a while? Maybe they finally got a clue.

 

One can only hope, Empress Palpatine.

 

I have a small hunch on where Mara,s character may be going. If and only if her character hold to Classic Literature. She is and never was designed (written) to be a heroine. Let me explain. All Classic Literature heros(ines) have gone through great suffering and tragedy at least one point in their lives (and no I do not belive losing a ship constitutes suffering). Just look at all the "Great Literary Works" you all have read in high school and college. You will find that all great heroes and heroines have suffered to a great extreme. In conclusion, given the circumstances that Mara has lived through, is not a heroine.

--someone inform me if they belive otherwise, i would greatly appreciate your input on the issue at hand
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secondly i have an idea for those of us fans who strongly dislike Mara

--hear me out, i think it would be awesome for someone to write a fanfic or professionally published EU type novel that mara gets her "just desserts"

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thirdly (this is my last point forgive me if i take up too much space) this is late but i thank rngenzi for creating this threat so mara haters can come here to talk about it and recive back up on their feelings (i personally strongly dislike mara but dont get me wrong i highly enjoy others opinions so that i can assess those opinions for any validity that they might have). thank you and i will now quit wasting space.


====ps. does anyone know of an obi-wan kenobi fan thread~~any hep here would be hot======

Stacy-Wan Kenobi

 

I have a small hunch on where Mara,s character may be going. If and only if her character hold to Classic Literature. She is and never was designed (written) to be a heroine. Let me explain. All Classic Literature heros(ines) have gone through great suffering and tragedy at least one point in their lives (and no I do not belive losing a ship constitutes suffering). Just look at all the "Great Literary Works" you all have read in high school and college. You will find that all great heroes and heroines have suffered to a great extreme. In conclusion, given the circumstances that Mara has lived through, is not a heroine.

--someone inform me if they belive otherwise, i would greatly appreciate your input on the issue at hand
--------------------------------------------

secondly i have an idea for those of us fans who strongly dislike Mara

--hear me out, i think it would be awesome for someone to write a fanfic or professionally published EU type novel that mara gets her "just desserts"

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thirdly (this is my last point forgive me if i take up too much space) this is late but i thank rngenzi for creating this threat so mara haters can come here to talk about it and recive back up on their feelings (i personally strongly dislike mara but dont get me wrong i highly enjoy others opinions so that i can assess those opinions for any validity that they might have). thank you and i will now quit wasting space.


====ps. does anyone know of an obi-wan kenobi fan thread~~any hep here would be hot======

Stacy-Wan Kenobi

 

oops sorry for the 2x of stuff now i took up more space--sorry

 

I agree Mara was never a heroine. She was a minor character who should have stayed a minor character. She never paid for her sins (as others have pointed out, even Kyp--another minor character who should've stayed that way--paid for his wrongs) Then the EU authors started bumping up her importance because she was popular. Then she married Luke and he became one of her acolytes, not caring about anything but precious Mara. He doesn't even seem to care about his own kid that much...just Mara.

Mara was the best Jedi, the best pilot, the best mother, the best fighter, and of course the most beautiful woman in the galaxy (I believe Anakin Solo even thought so as he drooled over her in BP). Meanwhile she never grew from the selfish, insensitive, egocentric woman she was in Zahn's books--yet everyone adored her and looked up to her and envied her strength.

We're supposed to believe she's developed as a character. Where, and when?

If she died, however, it'd just make her a martyr and cement her status as the patron saint of the EU.

 

Can I jump in here for a second or two? I have a few things to say.

I was never a big fan of Mara Jade but found her kind of intreasting in the Corellian Series. However come the New Jedi Order I began to despise her. Firstly because I wanted to see Luke end up with Callista or Gariel (sadly she's passed on). Secondly, because I am a HUGE Leia fan and I hated it the way Mara called Leia a bad mother and how selfish and uncaring she was when Anakin died.

When Anakin died she didn't even shed a tear! She didn't even care! He saved her life when she was ill and she didn't even care that he had died! I was so so so mad about this and how she wouldn't even let Luke let out his rage in SBS. Ben would have been just fine!

The thing that probably made me the most angry was when she called Leia a bad mother in Rebirth. While she didn't exactly come out and say Leia was a bad mother she said something about how she'd never be a mother like Leia because Leia cost her kids a real childhood or something.

Personally I would like to see Mara fried even if it did make her a martyar or whatever in the EU just so long as she is GONE!

~Crystal

 

Welcome, crystal417!

And I agree with you about the Corellian Trilogy. That was probably the last time I genuinely liked Mara Jade as a character.

 

Thank you, Jedi15. It's so nice to be welcomed!

 

I just posted the Great "Red-Gold" Challenge for those who want to participate.

 

..howdy, i'm new on the boards.. Read about this link in another thread.. Figured i'd drop in and voice my support..

For the record: I've been annoyed with Mara since Heir to the Empire... I've never liked her..

Of course, i'm the guy who liked Wurth Skidder.. So what do i know?

At any rate, it's nice to know that there ARE fans out there who don't like Mara..... I was beginning to think i was ALONE.....

 

Uhhh......I created this fan club back in the lit board. You people sure don't have any original ideas nowadays.