ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in Episode VII

OK, then. Vader didn't capture Luke. Luke went to save his friends, fought Vader, lost and got away.

 

He didn't even get captured in TESB. He just got curb-stomped by Vader and that was it.

Also, I could totally see dialogue happening in the last scene with Luke. Like they'll have dialogue as Rey draws closer and closer to him, eventually hands him the lightsaber and then they go for the face reveal.

Think of it like this scene from Doctor Who (spoilers).

 

How reliable is MSW?

 

Here to back it up, with what Jason said:

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/s...e-spoilers-about-luke-skywalkers-involvement/
"We follow our main hero, Rey as she says goodbye to the important players in the film, Leia, Poe, and so on. Meanwhile BB-8, Artoo-Detoo, and See-Threepio decode a puzzle. Rey makes a special stop to say goodbye to Finn in the medical bay.

Rey, Chewbacca, and BB-8 then get into the Falcon and take off. Chewbacca playfully messes up her hair in an endearing gesture. Things are going to be alright, is what the Wookiee is trying to say, as far as I can tell.

I imagine like all Star Wars films, the end is silent with music playing. That’s just my take though. But it seems likely here. They fly away to a new planet and the Falcon lands.

Rey walks up the stone steps. She comes up to a figure and puts the Lightsaber in his hand. Its Luke Skywalker.

The End."

correct, Luke got away. Vader, clearly more powerful and superior to Luke, didn't kill or capture Luke. Exactly my point. If Vader didn't kill or capture Luke why would Luke HAVE to kill or capture Kylo? Surely Kylo could escape just like Luke did.

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/11/star-wars-episode-vii-state-luke-skywalker/

This rumor from MSW, where he has lunch with friends in the know, lines up with a lot of the other vague sites I talk about. You know, the ones I've named a million times. I know Jason doesn't believe it anymore, but this came from people he knows and supposedly were "in the know."
It also lines up with Mark filming at the end without a beard

 

Pretty reliable overall, though they're not perfect.

 

Most politic answer: we'll know for sure in about three months, then things will get really interesting for the rest of the films.

 

I don't know about all of this capturing business, but I will contend that the biggest difference is that Kylo is not Luke Skywalker. Not even close. It is ridiculously silly to even try to compare "what if" scenarios and how the two characters would fare in similar situations.

 

very. they don't have the script but they did get the shoot list and tons of concept art.

Script Breakdown, Shoot List and Call Sheet workflow

 

Aye. So far, just about everything revealed officially in the trailers and in the BTS video has corroborated or matches something that MakingStarWars had previously revealed. I can't think of much of anything that has debunked his larger details.

 

That new video of Luke in the pub...what a dramatic difference from his cheesburger photo of a couple years ago. The Luke haircut and everything really brings it home for me. I dont care how much time he has on screen, i love that old farmboy and its gonna be great to see him on screen in any capacity. Im not worried about han, luke, leia, droids, chewies screen time..im more concerned that the energy of the story flows through us and binds the fans together.

 

We have no idea how much time there will be between TFA and episode Viii. For all we know, episode Viii may take place the next day, week, month, year, or a couple of years, but it's not likely to be all that much time, especially if we're going to see any of Rey's training at all. So I don't think there will be that much difference in kylo's power levels between VII and Viii. This idea that Luke can face kylo in eight but not in seven makes no real sense to me. I would think that once Rey is trained or Rey and Finn are trained, it would make sense for them to face kylo, not Luke, since, as people keep saying, this is Rey, Poe, and Finn's trilogy, not Luke's. As I have said before, it would make the most sense for Luke to help in some way in seven before the new characters are trained, rather than in eight or nine when Rey or Rey and Finn are Jedi themselves.

Plus, why do folks think that the only thing Luke might have done in seven would have been to face kylo? He could have faced Snoke. He could have helped defeat some of the first order forces. He could have helped destroy the superweapon. It's not like there is just one bad guy is in the story so that guy must be saved for the new characters. There are plenty of villains and bad things(super weapons) to go around. It's not like letting Luke accomplish one thing would have meant that the new heroes would have nothing to do or would be overshadowed.

The claim that Luke couldn't be in TFA because it would in some way diminish the new characters doesn't really hold up when you really think about it. As TR said, there were TONS of Jedi in the prequels, but the filmmakers seemed to find enough for the lead characters to accomplish. If that's so, I can't imagine why Having ONE Jedi in the story would mean that there would be nothing left for Rey, Finn, and Poe.

 

so Hamill is a liar.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mark-hamill-rumors-my-star-824240?utm_source=twitter

 

Wow... "No offense but we believe our third-party source, not Mark Hamill's word." As if Mark would have any reason to lie about such a thing.

 

not as bad as the BS stories that Hamill, Fisher, and Ford all went to work drunk on set. each getting a separate story.

 

ChildOfWinds, I think for myself, the problem with including Luke to do absolutely anything seems like including him just for the sake of including him. He needs to be in the best position to make an amazing story. If Luke's there in the movie, fighting stormtroopers but otherwise not doing much, what drives the plot? There's no "seeking out Luke" plot, so there is no driving force. That wouldn't be good for the story. He can't destroy the super-weapon, because that's Poe's job. He definitely can't fight Snoke! He will be saved for the later films, for sure. They didn't blow Palpatine's reveal by having him fight Obi-Wan in ANH or Qui-Gon in TPM. Snoke can't be used this early. No, it's best to save both Luke and Snoke for awesome stuff down the line.

 

Maybe there's a scene where Luke falls and is saved by another character (a training exercise for Rey?), and the practical effects were so good it looked real to an eye witness...

 

do we know how many days mark was on set filming tfa?

 

So where's the story stating that Fisher was high throughout filming and nearly got herself fired?

 

wow...

 

Is that an admission that your statement was incorrect? If so, why would you gloat about it? LeBron looks a little confused about his role in all this...

You must realize that the MSW quote you provided not only doesn't back up your assertion, but directly contradicts it.

As Jason said, he "imagines" it will be silent (a part of the statement you conveniently did not underline). That's "his take." In other words, speculation. He doesn't say that Luke won't talk, as you claimed. He speculates that he won't. If you don't see a world of difference between those two descriptions, I'm afraid discussion will be pretty difficult.

 

Don't you see there is a big difference between our inexperienced but over-eager hero being schooled by the powerful villain, and our inexperienced and over-eager villain being schooled by the powerful mentor character? Storytelling is about roles not only characters.

 

Wow. Just Wow. Completely unbelievable. LeBron's confusion is with your inability to see the quote contradicted and proved your assertion wrong.

You stated 2 things:

1.) Go back throughout MSW's posts and podcasts, and you'll find that not once does Jason state that "Luke DOES NOT talk" in TFA

2.) MSW never claimed that Luke "doesn't talk" in TFA

The very FIRST post I clicked on is the one I posted, so I stopped looking for further proof as you said I wouldn't find one instance. I did. I then posted their exact words where he specifically states he doesn't believe Luke talks, and you still think you are correct Everything they have posted indicates they believe there is no dialogue including what I didn't underline "Rey walks up the stone steps. She comes up to a figure and puts the Lightsaber in his hand. Its Luke Skywalker. The End"

This rumored ending is like RotS where there's some dialogue between characters leading to a departure and musical ending with Bail and Obi-Wan delivering the twins to new homes, except here we have dialogue at the base leading to a departure and musical ending with Rey delivering a lightsaber.

Yeah, and having Luke on both sides of the equation at different points in his life is perfect symmetry. Especially if Kylo is his nephew and Luke is trying to redeem him. Anakin getting schooled by Dooku in AotC then schooling Luke in TESB is the same kind of symmetry for the character.

 

If that is indeed how the ending goes, I can't see there being any dialogue myself. It just wouldn't be in keeping with the previous six films, which have all had musical finales. This seems like the sort of scene that would work that way. I'm not ruling it out, as I have no real knowledge of how it will be, but this is my expectation right now. There is some minor dialogue quite close to the iris out in Empire, when Luke says 'May the Force be with you' to Lando, so it could be a bit like that?

 

Not to mention, if this is the actual ending (which I have reasons to doubt), it breaks with the ending of the 1st movie of each trilogy. Each ends with a celebration with all the main players, this ends with a personal scene between 2 characters, one of which supposedly hasn't been seen until this moment?

 

I don't think there needs be any requirement for this film to end with a celebration just because two previous films have.