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Amph Marvel's Falcon & Winter Soldier [Disney+]

Discussion in 'Community' started by Bilbo Fett, May 20, 2019.

  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    WandaVision had a reason for its pacing, but there is a world of difference in just how much content and plot development has happened in two episodes here. We’ve kept a steady clip through both spiders thus far, and managed a very substantial amount of storytelling.
     
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  2. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    I wasn’t that interested in Wanda vision after the first two episodes
     
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  3. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    This and Moon Knight are the two Marvel shows I am super excited about, so I am very happy, impressed and pleased with TFATWS thus far. Looking forward to what’s next.
     
  4. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    That's not what I'm getting. That seems to be what their enemies want to say about them. But they don't miss the blip itself, they miss the more cooperative world in which the established powers had vanished.

    Earlier here it's explained how it's one person in the comics.

    It's not supposed to be a gag... it's showing systemic racism, and how he's constantly judged by the color of his skin first, even despite being an Avenger. They know about Black Panther, and especially after 2020, that audiences are ok with this social commentary now. And they're going into it as a main theme of the show. It's supposed to be disgusting, not funny.

    Well you should at least watch episodes 3 and 4, is all I'll say.
     
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  5. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    As I clarified in my subsequent post, I didn't really mean "gag" in a humorous way but rather just as an ongoing bit.
     
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  6. Sarge

    Sarge 6x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I liked this a lot, a tour of a RAF C-130 that reminds me of half-forgotten details of the Herk Life. Most of the regular gear has been stripped out of this plane so it looks kind of bare bones, but everything still there is the real deal. This is all stuff that Sam should have learned and lived, too.

     
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  7. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    That’s pretty neat @Sarge

    Oh and I forgot Hawkeye o_O in my most anticipated Marvel series :oops::oops::oops:(So it’s TFATWS, Moon Knight and Hawkeye here...)

    If I had one quibble about TFATWS, thus far, the villains are the least interesting element about the show. Of course, that could change with
    Zemo and some twist with Walker. I hope the baddies will become more interesting...

    and we see more of Redwing (I can’t believe I think a drone is cool), but I like how Sam interacts with Redwing (almost as if it was a bird).
     
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  8. Sarge

    Sarge 6x Wacky Wednesday winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Watch The Last Full Measure | Prime Video (amazon.com)

    I watched this one last night, first time since it was in theaters, and it tore me up again. Very powerful story about broken people and how strong and beautiful they can be. All star cast of old actors getting raw and gritty: Samuel Jackson, Christopher Plummer, Henry Fonda, William Hurt, Ed Harris, Diane Ladd, John Savage. Some of the framing story and the characters around Pitsenbarger are Hollywoodized, but they wisely kept to the true facts when it came to Pits himself.

    For FATWS fans, Sebastian Stan stars, the hero was a RW pararescue Jumper (PJ) and I guarantee you that Sam would have learned all about Pitsenbarger in his training (I did and I never was in PJ training), and there's a lot about the MoH too.
     
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  9. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I really like Roberto De Simone, the actor who plays US Agent. The two things I’ve seen him in (Black Mirror, Goon 2) he was great in. He gives good demented.
     
  10. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    WandaVision is a character study, not a plot-driven show really. I liked it a ton. The Falcon and Winter Soldier is a much more standard affair, which is fine but not nearly as innovative.
     
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  11. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    That's Wyatt Russell, Kurt's son. So sort of Star Lord's half brother.

    When I googled US Agent, it came up with Roberto De Simone as well, no idea why.
     
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  12. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think I’d say the difference is more “high concept” than specifically character-study, but the innovation is definitely WandaVision’s edge, just like density is Falcon and The Winter Solider. Right now, I think I’d argue the shows are equal in character-focus, given the slight handicap of the sitcom set-up for WandaVision and FATWS taking time in its first episode to dedicate wholly to character development.
     
  13. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    I’d politely argue for TFATWS in being innovative in how the show handles real life issues in a way that is subtle and gut-wrenchingly honest without being preachy. It’s right there, and makes you care, and/or notice. The writing and acting are really good.

    Agree that WV was innovative and clever in how it handled the main character’s grief. Wasn’t my cup outside of Agatha and Monica Rambeau, but I like that Disney is creating something for everyone.
     
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  14. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    There are plenty of shows throughout history that handle sensitive issues well. The Wire, ER, St. Elsewhere, all are ones that immediately come to mind when dealing with race issues in a sensitive and not preachy or annoying way.
     
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  15. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Chosen One star 6

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    You’re right. In terms of the MCU, it’s nice to see this handled in universe in a graceful way. So for me, that is innovative. All subjective of course.
     
  16. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    It's great for the MCU to handle it, yes.. it's breaking ground for the MCU. But not for TV in general. WandaVision was groundbreaking overall.
     
  17. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yep, it was Torres that said they wanted to go back to the way the world was during the Blip, but it could be his point of view or simply a smear/misinformation campaing by the US government.
    If the flagsmashers were just a group of anarchists it would make very little sense to send Avengers after them. I still believe there will be something politically shady about the way the flagsmashers got to super soldier serum and the government will try to use them as scapegoats.

    An interesting thing is that the original idea, according to what director Shankman said to Kevin Smith in that youtube interview, was to release the 3 first episodes at once, not just the first two.
    But later in the game Disney changed entire the plan.
    Overall i believe it would be better if they kept the original release strategy because in the end, many people went away from the show for disliking ( or didn't understand) chapter 1 and 2.
    Actually , personally, i never buyed the whole 9 episodes thing. It always seemed to me that it was suposed to be a 6 chapter series ( like TFATWS) that got streched im more episodes.
     
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  18. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Fiege said that the d+ show budgets are based around 6ish hours, so you either get 6 hour longs or 10 half hours with clearly some wiggle room in between. (I'm thinking budget may have been a reason we didn't get a pure 90s Wandavision episode so they mashed 80s and 90s into one episode)
     
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  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think you have to look at it terms of total runtime, not the number of installments. Both shows were always intended to be approx. 6 hours long, but WandaVision’s sitcom format dictated more episodes at a shorter length (1 theme per decade @ about 30 min each, plus longer episodes dealing with the more traditional MCU content) compared to TFATWS being more traditional all the way through and being able to do fewer episodes at a more typical drama runtime.


    EDIT- What Al’s math said.
     
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  20. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Finally got around to watching this. So far so good!

    Predictions: USAgent will kick the bucket, Sam will become the new Cap, and Bucky will integrate “the white Wolf” more into his superhero persona.
     
  21. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    Couple of things.

    I’m not sure the world at large really understands what happened with Thanos and the Infinity Stones. Basically Thanos sent a ship to New York that left after a short skirmish. Then Wakanda was attacked but that is a little known country that purposely kept itself secret. So there is very little for most people to witness about the snap. Remember Ant-Man and the Wasp takes place during Infinity War. The characters we see are none the wiser to larger events happening on Earth and in the galaxy.

    Most regular people would just know the blip. They’d just know half of all life is gone. Half the house plants. Half the pets. Half their friends and family. It’s a very personal event that happened with no hint in advance. I doubt Thanos is all that we’ll know or understood. He was never a public figure in Earth.

    It’s thought the Bubonic Plague in the mid 1300s killed roughly 50% of all people in Europe over 5 years. In individual cities and countries those deaths would have happened in the span of a few weeks. The aftermath of all those deaths for the survivors was a time great wealth and plenty. It leads to new ideas. The end of feudalism. The evolution of organized religion. A middle class. The Renaissance. More focus and rights for individuals. More land ownership.

    Something similar would probably happen after the blip. After 5 years a new normal world start to developed.

    How would you feel if after five years the original owner of your house returns. Or your husband’s blipped wife and kids return. How would you feel if after five years rebuilding society and finding a new place - all the work is erased when 50% of people return and now they need taken care off. Now they need feed and housed. How do disputes of ownership and wealth get decided?

    And who gets to control the course of the future?
     
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  22. PimpBacca

    PimpBacca Jedi Master star 4

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    so episode two was good, another action packed episode with Themes of racial inequality. The new captain America seems decent but I’m guessing that that there will be a conflict of interest somewhere along the lines between the two groups that will pit them against each other with out ether one being the villain.

    So I’m not to familiar with the this version of Captain America but I’m beginning to wonder where him also having a black side kick is meant to be further commentary on racial inequality, or am I just reading to much In to this?
     
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  23. PCCViking

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    My favorite exchange from the second episode:

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