Amph Marvel's Shang-Chi (Legend of the Ten Rings)

The Mandarin's rings in the comics are already alien technology so I don't think this would even be a small stretch in the film.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Mandarin's_Rings

 

Exactly. I seem to remember (though it has been a while) that the 90s cartoon basically indicated that the rings were alien tech and that FFF was as well. The only real change is how this impacts Shang Chi and his abilities.

 

Looks super fun, Simu Liu is excellent in Kim’s Convenience, looking forward to seeing him in the MCU

 

FFF has always been an extraterrestrial in the comics, wonder if he will appear in in this movie, and if so if he will keep is extraterrestrial-ness

 

Right. I thought so. It's been a long time since I read stuff with him outside of Nextwave so wasn't sure. Thanks for confirming.

I think then, the only question really is how this ties into Shang-Chi's abilities- if at all. I agree with you Quest that Doctor Strange and Thor have set things up but it may still be a heavy lift to work in aliens/mysticism into Shang-Chi just to explain the rings. I do think it's likely that Wenwui has lived a long life. I also expect we'll get an origin of sorts for the rings (that one shot of just the rings facing what looks like an ancient army- it doesn't necessarily look like he is the one wearing the rings).

Either way, this has me much more excited than Eternals.

 

Speaking of Doctor Strange and Thor having set the mystical side of the MCU, Jon Favreau, the director of Iron Man, said in an interview with SuperHeroHype in 2008 before the release of Iron Man 2, that the Mandarin has to be introduced in Iron Man 3 and the Thor movie would help with the introduction,

SHH: I know you’re off to make "Cowboys & Aliens" next, but has Marvel talked to you at all about doing a third "Iron Man" movie? I know you had planned to wait until a third movie to introduce The Mandarin.

Favreau: Yes. I think you gotta introduce Mandarin in the next film. Fortunately, what’s happening now is that we kept our films very tech-based in 1 and 2. We exaggerated technology, but beyond that, it’s kind of a real set of circumstances. The politics and everything reflects reality... "Thor" is going to have the challenge of introducing magic and the supernatural, so as that starts to expand on the rules of the universe that we established, that might open the door for a magical Mandarin type character. I don’t know what’s happening yet.
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Unfortunately, Iron Man 3, did not feature the magical Mandarin mentioned above. I think it had to do more with the problematic comic book depiction of the Mandarin, which would not play well today, and more specifically in Asian markets, than the difficulties of the magical aspects of the character. Thus, Iron Man 3, side stepped any problematic issues with the Mandarin being a depicted in a racially insensitive light and gave a the character some white washing with Trevor Slattery and then with Aldrich Killian. However, as the cost of Iron Man 3 being a poorly devised film in regards to the Mandarin among other things, the real Mandarin being introduced in Shang Chi and the Legends of the Ten Rings might pay off for the MCU.

Even though it's been established in Marvel's 616/comic books that the Mandarin's rings are derived from alien technology, I would prefer they're based on classical Chinese Philosophy, qi (also known as chi), which is the force that makes up and binds together all things in the universe. powers and life forces. And yes, Star Wars, "the Force" uses this eastern philosophy.

So, if Fin Fang Foom appears in Shang Chi, I don't think he has to be an ancient alien. I would rather Fin Fan Foom the traditional ancient dragon found in many Asian cultures, perhaps awaken from a long slumber by the power of the Ten Rings.




I mean, in the teaser trailer, it's shown that the traditional Chinese Guardian Lions (otherwise known as "stone lions," "shíshī," "lion dogs" or "foo/fu dogs") were once real creatures in the MCU.



I really want Asian myths and lore brought into the MCU via Shang Chi and the Legend Ten Rings, the same way that Black Panther brought certain African mythology and culture in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

Marvel have other dragons that are mystical if they want to go down that rut. Better to use one of them than FFF, if they want to use a mystical dragon.

 

New Trailer... Looking good!

That looks a lot like a sling ring in his left fist (as folks have mentioned.)

 

1.5 minutes of story buildup.
Last ten seconds: IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED?
Rest of trailer is two guys throwing colorful magic swirlsplosions.

Yup MCU has the trailer thing down to a science.

 

And magic rings. If only J.R.R. and C.S. could see it!


Watched the trailer. I’m seeing this movie for sure but it doesn’t grab my attention like the other upcoming MCU films. I’m getting a very Phase 1 by the books origin story vibe from what I’ve seen. It’s odd because there are a lot of actors and scenarios / imagery in this trailer that I’d usually like.

 

Wow... Abomination. Wasn’t expecting to see him in this. @The2ndQuest Not a movie. It was confirmed he’s slated to return in She-Hulk.

EDIT: And that’s Wong fighting him, isn’t it?

 

Not sure what to think here. They are going for a more magical Shang Chi, at least for this movie. I assume they sat in a room and decided even though Cap is "just a man" he's an augmented man where Shang Chi is not and so he will not be able to compete with heavy hitters. So he will have to be given advantages beyond "he fights really, really good."

 

Yes. That’s Wong. The blip created hard times for our sanctum guardian.

@VadersLaMent The Ten Rings multiverse angle is strong, no wonder they’re playing up some magic here. That said, Shang-Chi fights bare handed a lot, so I think we’ll see a good mix of magic and martial arts (the martial aspect went missing from a good chunk of Doctor Strange.) Every character in the MCU who fights really good has some kind of help

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(Moon Knight knows at least five different fight styles and he’s getting super powers

That said, I suspect we will see Shang-Chi be the absolute top fighter in the MCU without the need for the Ten Rings.

I have to wonder if Shang-Chi’s dad was ever at Kamar-Taj?

I love the nod to Big Trouble In Little China’s Egg Shen versus Lo Pan with dad versus son at the end.

 

That may not be Fin Fang Foom.

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From several toy leaks we know that there is a mostly white dragon in the movie referred to as "The Great Protector". That doesn't really sound like 3F to me but maybe dragons in the MCU wake up on the wrong side of the bed sometimes like everyone else.

There was an early rumor that ...

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... Hulkling would appear in this. Specifically as a combatant in the tournament.

I'm thinking this is the source of that rumor. Maybe someone saw some pre-vis and just made a wrong guess.

 

None of the trailers have caught my attention, but I’ll probably still see it just because I’ve become invested in the MCU and maybe it’ll surprise me.

 

Considering the way things are going in the MCU i wonder if both Wong and Abomination they showed here are multiverse variants from the originals we know. Heck imagine if this is a multiverse Mandarin and the one in Iron Man3 is a variante or vice versa

 

We also don’t know when this film takes place. It is very possible this is set during the 5 year blip.