Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (WARNING: Revolutions Spoilers)

Well something has to kill them. Only Agents are the ones who can't be destroyed permanently except for being deleted.

 

"I still dont know who bane is and why he was going after neo with a knife."

Bane was a member of the crew that Morpheus asked to stay behind to recieve transmission from the Oracle. He's the guy that gets jumped by Smith right after his buddy goes through the phone. Smith copies himself into Bane. Then, the phone rings to bring Bane out of the Matrix. The Smith who had been Bane picks up the phone and is sent out of the Matrix - into Bane's body. He's trying to kill Neo because, well, he's Agent Smith. And him and Neo don't get along all that well.

Clear?

 

You know, in Revolutions, I wanna see Neo walk back into the office where he used to work and give his former boss a good thrashing.

"By the way, I'm the One now, and the rules don't apply to me! Whaddaya think about that, Mr. Reinhardt?"

 

What did Bne do at the end? He set off an EMP, but what did it do exactly? I think they answered all this at the end, but I was still trying to sort some stuff out in my head.

 

It looked to me that Bane sabotaged the EMP so that when he woke up, he would be free to assassinate Neo.

 

"By the way, I'm the One now, and the rules don't apply to me! Whaddaya think about that, Mr. Reinhardt?"

He'll probably just turn into Agent Smith or some other Agent.

 

I posted this else where, but reading the last 15 pages of this thread I'm going to add afew more points.

Now we gets to see the world expanded and unlike Star Wars, X-Men, or LOTR it makes the movie less interesting. I don't now about you guys, but when I pictured Zion I imagined 30-150 people living like Osama Bin Laden in rags with a fleet of 3 ships tops. Having to be scavengers for water and food. A life impossible to imagine.

Instead we get a huge cave of 10,000 people living in Borg cubes with a fleet of ships that would make Britain proud. Guys walking around in robot war suits. Everyone dressed in nice slik Jason X style outfits. If they have such fine materials why do the send there warriors out to freeze in rags.

Back inside the matrix we have a ton of more people who know whats going on which makes it way harder to believe that the big secret could exist. I could suspend my disbelief that the '1999 Media' never got wind of Agents and such, but with the white rasta wraiths, vampires, werewolvies, and rebels destroying all these buildings and highways, for the other 99% of humanity never suspect anything is to much to swallow.

I Kind of like the idea of Zion being another Matrix. Revolutions of Zion and the Matrix working together to free humanity.

One question though. Before the 'kiss' scene when the chick tells a guy to leave. Was that John Travolta in his Swordfish persona? It went so fast I couldn't tell, but it kind of looked like him and would have been a funny cameo.

 

I found this cool article on Corporate Mofo
http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

here ya go:

CORPORATE MOFO
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THE MATRIX

by
Ken Mondschein

Going into The Matrix: Reloaded, I wasn't worried if the fight scenes or special effects would measure up to the first film?it was the metaphysics that bothered me. The first Matrix was such a neat allegory of Gnostic philosophy, I was more concerned with how the Brothers Wachowski could successfully extend the metaphor into three films than whether they could pull off even more virtuoso examples of cinematic ass-stomping. What was mindblowing about the first movie, after all, wasn't the fight choreography or bullet time, but its brave assertion that the banal, day-to-day reality we live in isn't the real world. In that sense, all the wire-fu was just the candy coating on the red pill the filmmakers were offering to every high school student and cubicle slave in the world. (Though, since I study martial arts myself, I found the idea of kung fu as being metaphorical for something happening in hyper-reality, a la Thibault's mysterious circle, to be pretty darn appealing.)

Thankfully, Reloaded more than allayed my fears, even if it seems that half the reviewers either didn't understand what the Wachowskis were getting at, or else were only paying attention during the highway chase. Watching the movie, I was personally less impressed by the fists of digital fury than by the Brothers' evident familiarity with the Dead Sea Scrolls and the theology of Origen of Alexandria. Seen in the light of the books they're referencing, the movie's plot is brilliant; of course, to the non-initiate, the characters' actions and dialogue seems arbitrary and incomprehensible, and the exposition is just filler between car crashes. It would seem, therefore, that a bit of exegesis of The Matrix: Reloaded is warranted. But be warned: If you haven't seen the movie yet, don't read on. There are some major spoilers.

Much like that other great Keanu Reeves vehicle, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, The Matrix: Reloaded centers around the hero's journey into the Underworld. Frazier, in The Golden Bough, notes that it is a prophetess?in this case, the Oracle?who sends the hero off on his journey, from where he returns with special knowledge. And, of course, that's just what Neo does, though it would have been a while lot more amusing if he'd had Alex Winter along. (The Oracle probably isn't entirely benign, by the way, even though she may not consciously intend any harm: She is, after all, the one who sent Neo on the path to the Core.)

Neo's first task is to rescue the Keymaker (Randall Duk Kim, doing his best Rick Moranis impression) from the Merovingian, who is a daemon?in both senses of the word?left over from a previous version of the Matrix. (The Merovingians were the ruling Frankish dynasty; they were succeeded by Charlemagne's family, the Carolingians, and then by the Capetians, who thought they were descended from Christ.) The guy in the health food store where I buy my granola and soy milk thinks that The Merovingian was one of Neo's predecessors, but all the explanation I need, as well as the way I understand his obvious fascination with human pleasures, is found in Genesis 6:4?"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them. . ." According to various sources, including Kabbalah, this mating of men and angels (here, a computer program from an earlier version of the Martrix) is what produced various monsters, such as the vampires and wraiths that serve the Merovingian. Dante, bringing a Christian sensibility to the proceedings, placed these monsters in his Inferno. Thus, though the Merovingian is sort of an antediluvian remnant of the former world, he's also (as is shown by the fact that his wife is named Persephone) kind of like Pluto, the holder of the keys to the underworld. What the Keymaker does, much like the golden bough the Sybil gives Aeneas, is open

 

Most of the people that "know" about the outside world are not really people but programs that seperated themselves from the Matrix. I for one believe that the war has been going on for more than a hundred years. Now to go read the previous posts...

 

What's Agent Smith's role in all this? His ability to multiply is reminiscent of the demon Jesus exorcised ("my name is Legion"), but I bet he's going to wind up being an ally of Neo's.

Whoa, I never thought of it that way.

Will Neo wake up and say, "Bill, dude, you won't believe this bitchin' dream I just had. . ."?

 

Things to be wrapped up in the third movie:

Who's behind The Architect?
Neo will need to make a choice?but what is this choice?
The climactic Battle of Armageddon between Good and Evil will have to take place?but what will happen afterwards?
What's Agent Smith's role in all this? His ability to multiply is reminiscent of the demon Jesus exorcised ("my name is Legion"), but I bet he's going to wind up being an ally of Neo's.
How is Neo able to zap the machines in the "real world"?
How did Tank die?
Will Link live to see Zee again?
Will Niobe leave Jason Lock and go back to Morpheus?
Will priestly cassocks become a fashion trend for men?
What pivotal role will be performed by Neo's adoring acolyte?
How will Bane sabotage the human defense of Zion? Will Neo kill him?
What led Morpheus to the Oracle in the first place?
Is the "real world" only another level of simulation, an outer matrix, indicative of matrices upon matrices, onionlike in their layering upon each other?
What're they going to do about the fact that Gloria Foster, who played The Oracle, died?
Will Neo wake up and say, "Bill, dude, you won't believe this bitchin' dream I just had. . ."?

Alls I wanna know is if (as DarthLuxor said) The "White rasta-wraiths" come back, because seriously, they are the only thing about this movie that I can really remember well... And DAMN...I liked them!

BUT is Neo wakes up and says: "Bill, dude, you won't believe this bitchin' dream I just had. . ."? I will be quite

 

Heh.

 

Something I'm not 100% clear on- was Zion completley destroyed, or just the ships that were defending it?

 

Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

 

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Something I'm not 100% clear on- was Zion completley destroyed, or just the ships that were defending it?
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The funny thing is if Zion is a different part of the Matrix, after it's been destroyed Col. Saunders can just reboot it, and it's as good as new. The 5 Previous Ones then perpetual the myth to the 16 women and 7 men Dred Pirate Roberts-Princess Bride style.


I guess I'm the only one who thought that might be John Travolita making a cameo in the bathroom.

 

BUT is Neo wakes up and says: "Bill, dude, you won't believe this bitchin' dream I just had. . ."?

I will be the happiest person on the planet if that happens.

 

I just finished reading through all the posts that were made after the release of the movie and have a few things to say.

While Zion existing in the Matrix is a possible theory I am going to stick with thw theory that it is in the real world for now. The various things that happen in the real world can be explained easily. For instance Agent Smith is able to exist in the real world because he downloaded himself into Bane. When Bane left he took the smith program with him, much like how Neo retained he knowledge of "Kung-Fu" after it was downloaded to him in the first movie. Now some of you may be saying that is because he never left the Matrix so we come to my next observation. In Zion many of the inhabitants were in thier 20~30 except for the concil members. It seems a little to intentional to be a mistake if you ask me, so the concil must be the 23 that are left to restart Zion...

 

But that first meeting was in matrix right?

--Joey

 

Good Lord, that was one of the clunkiest selections of celluloid I've seen since A.I.. They should have just made it in the vein of a classic Hong Kong action movie instead of padding the flick with a literal hour of exposition and more blatant "homages" than I can count on both hands. The Rebel Alliance retires the Millennium Falcon in Fraggle Rock after fleeing Skynet, where the denizens of the Temple of Doom have an orgy in an LL Cool J music video from 1995, encounter the bad guys from Mechwarrior, then prepare for combat against the Borg as Jesus gives a big speech about love in front of a blue screen...

Listening to Morpheus and Colonel Sanders pontificate for what felt like an eternity reminded me of all those damned papers on existentialism I used to write for my English teacher and how I pitied the poor soul who had to read them. I guess now I know how it feels. The Christian imagery and literary references were all there in the first movie, but were considered subtext. If someone wants to go out and discover Zarathustra or Eliot on their own after seeing this movie, then good for them. But don't spell everything out on the screen for them. It's insulting and, worse yet, boring.

The acting was awful. Only Wilson, Bellucci, Weaving, West and Perrineau ever bothered to give life to their characters. Everyone else sucked. A lot. I never thought sex could be so boring, honestly. Agent Smith was by far the most fascinating character, but mercifully enough I think Neo only had about a dozen lines, all of them questions he never got a straight answer to.

The other characters - the ghoulish Marilyn Manson groupies, the Zen Keymaker, the chief counselor, Niobe - were even more underdeveloped and underused than Cyclops in X2. And what was the point of that Lock fellow, anyway? Did he even do anything other than bitch and moan at everyone?

Then there's the film's own internal logic, like Neo pulling new superpowers out of his ass whenever the situation calls for it....but I won't go there. Now.