Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (WARNING: Revolutions Spoilers)

Nowhere in the movie did it show the previous Ones, so how could you infer that?

AYBABTU?

 

i don't think Zion is inside the Matrix.
I think that Neo picked up powers from Smith as Smith did from neo.
Remember the dreams Neo had?


AAAHHHH!!!! It's Harry Potter!!

*Runs away*

 

Of course it howed the previous "Ones". They were shown on the screens behind Neo in the source and they were shown with their reaction to the architect's words, note how different Neo #6 reacts. I especially liked the One that shouted "********" and showed the architect the finger

Dagsy edit: Language

 

Of course it howed the previous "Ones".

Those weren't the previous "ones", those were simply the possibilities of only Neo's reactions.

 

No, those were not the previous Ones, they can't be, because they all went to the door Neo went to, which the different door than all the previous ones had gone to.

The screens were showing, I believe, the things that were going on in Neo's head while he was talking, his subcontious, maybe.

What I think is more interesting about that scene is that we've seen that room before, in The Matrix, before the interrigation scene, we see Neo sitting at the table through a bunch of TVs, and then we go through one of the TVs into the scene. Interesting that now we know the Architect was watching Neo closly...how long has he been watching Neo?


?Eaglet

 

they must have been the previous Ones. Why would the screens show Neo's subconscious? Everything else we see on the screens (Neo's childhood, historical figures etc.) are films of actual events and there's not the slightest indication that the architect would have a way of showing Neo's subconscious on a monitor (how would that work anyway?)

Another thing I found - some of you might know the so-called JB scriptment. It's a scriptment of the scenes in Reloaded that was first posted a year ago. Some thought it was rubbish, some thought it was genuine - anyway, now of course it turns out to be 100% accurate and therefore was obviously written by somebody on the production. It states:

"Scene 16: The Search for the Source

Once everyone is safe and reunited, the Crew heads for the Source, to destroy the Matrix once and for all. The Key Maker takes the Crew to a building where the Source is located. He uses his keys to get them in. Trinity heads off on her own on an order from Morpheus. The remainder of them enter and Neo, alone, walks into the door that leads to the Source. This is the final moment where he can reach the true meaning of the Matrix and save humanity. As he enters the door, he finds a man sitting in a chair! This is a new character in the film who has not been seen up to this point. The man is sitting in front of a large computer console with several screens on it. Neo, completely confused asks the guy what?s up?

The man explains that he is the ?Father? of the Matrix! He starts to explain how he was able to ?conceive? the Matrix and how it operates. In this conversation, he also reveals that the Oracle is the Mother of the Matrix! As Neo, who is completely stunned, takes all of this in, the Father tells him, you?re acting very different from the ?Others.? Neo says ?what others?? and the Father explains to him that there have been 6 Chosen Ones who have come before Neo! They all make it to the Source, meet the Father, and everything starts over! As if the tape of the reality of the Matrix virtual reality rewinds (MAJOR SIDE NOTE: this can explain why it?s always 1999 or close to ?99 in the Matrix. Every time The One reaches the Source, the Matrix resets itself).

As the Father goes on in his explanation, he shows Neo 6 T.V. screens. Each screen shows the previous Ones who had made it to the Source and were having the same exact conversation with the Father. They are all yelling things like ?I can?t believe this!? and ?No ******* Way!? Neo is handling this news much differently than they did.

Neo is then given a choice. He is shown 2 more screens. In one, there is a portal where he can enter and destroy the Matrix. In the other, he sees that Trinity is being pursued by Agents and is in a very dangerous situation. Neo chooses to go save Trin and takes that door. "

So note that the author clearly says the monitors show the previous Ones. And since he worked on the production I believe him


Dagsy edit: you have to asterisk the whole word

 

What they said. The screens represented the choices available to Neo, not the previous Ones. It's all just a program, so the Architect can project possible reactions.

It's interesting that every alternate choice ended up choosing Trinity's door.

And, Tufako, think about it. If they were the previous Ones, why were there dozens of them rather than only 5? Durrr!

AYBABTU?

 

there's not the slightest indication that the architect would have a way of showing Neo's subconscious on a monitor (how would that work anyway?)

I think the indication comes from seeing that all the Neos go to the door to save Trin instead of the door to save humanity.

If it had showed them moving the opposite direction of him, then we've have known they were the other Ones, but since they all go with him, we have to infer they are just alternate realities, or Neo's subcontious, or something like that.

But they can't be the other Ones.


?Eaglet

 

My guess is that the screens are a program designed to guess human reaction. Each screen shows a different possible reaction Neo could have. I don't think it's necessarily his sub-conscious(sp?). The machines try their hardest to predict human response and nature. The oracle is a program dedicated to such things.

The Picnic

 

maybe you guys are right, your arguments seem pretty sound.

 

That scriptment does not conform to what actually happened in the movie. It is not 100% accurate.

And it utterly fails to explain the inconsistency of having many more representations of Neo than only 5.

AYBABTU?

 

My guess is that the screens are a program designed to guess human reaction. Each screen shows a different possible reaction Neo could have. I don't think it's necessarily his sub-conscious(sp?). The machines try their hardest to predict human response and nature. The oracle is a program dedicated to such things.

My thoughts also. The efforts of the Oracle plus some sophisticated statistical probability program is what likely resulted in the multiple responses on the screen, and maybe why the Oracle claimed previously that Neo 'already made' his choice - because it was the choice of greatest probability (or was it safe to say because of the actions of his predecessor?).

 

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Also, how could humans rebuild Zion, and five times none the less!?
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If it's part of the Matirx they could simply delete then reinstall. Brand new Zion (which is another reason I believe Zion is part of the Matrix-why the same name everytime). The One could say he did it with his powers then go off to die. Thus leaving the 23 others offspring to find him again.

 

My review:


Right, let me get some things said straight away:

-I still dont think Matrix was sequel-worthy
-Neo flying sucks
- Reeves still cant act, Fishbourne was touch and go, Weaving and Moss were great.


Film starts well, and continues to be good until Zion. Then we get a speech so cheesy the makers of Independence Day would sue, a dance scene where I nearly dozed off and a sex scene that just didnt feel right. And anyway, why was this such a big thing? They sleep in the same bed all the time!

Leave Zion, Neo goes to Oracle, some good scenes. Fight with SMith STARTS good. The fights were a vast improvement this time. Now I felt the SFX was there just to aid the fight. Indeed, of the first three fights there was barely any. But once Neo picked the signpost up, it got back into dumb territory for me. Everythign was slowed it seemed. And why he didnt just fly is beyond me.

Film picks up once more, until we meet a man so French you expect him to wear a beret and onions, and tell Neo his mother smelt of elderberries. And we get the "intellegent" dialogue, which to me is just a set of riddles and long words. Seriously, did EVERY sentence need the Thesaurus guys? Then we got the fight, which was back to the SFX over substance.

On to the car chase. It isnt the best car chase ever, Ronin whups it badly. But it was good non the less, except for the Ghosts, who somehow manage to die despite being able to turn into ghosts?

and the rest of the film was good, until Neo met the Architecht, who sure makes a finger licking good Matrix! And it was back to riddles, technobabble, gobbldegook and Thesaurus exerts.



Revolutions trailer missed the totally over the top laugh. I cried



So this film was.......reasonably good. Borderline on average and quite good. I fail to see all this deep meaningfulness everyone else seems to see, but I enjoyed it. And hey, better than the original.

But compared to the other release this month? X2 destroys it. Dodge this bub

 

Mwahahaha, I told you you wouldn't hate it.

 

I am also of the belief that the ones in the screen were the previous "Ones".

 

I am also of the belief that the ones in the screen were the previous "Ones".

But why would all the previous Ones look like Neo?

 

I am also of the belief that the ones in the screen were the previous "Ones".

Then why do one of the Neo's on the screen say "there were 5 before me"? They were not the previous ones, sorry.

 

I read a very interesting idea over at Matrixfans.net. It's an essay a guy wrote that talks about the religious inspirations for Matrix. The part I found most interesting is the opinion that the Architect wanted Neo to go for Trinity. Anyway, the short version is this (paraphrased by me):

The theory is that the machines are incapable of making choice. Everything is designed with a single purpose (Agents/Oracle/Keymaster). Even a "free" program still has to follow it's function (i.e., Smith is free, yet still wants Neo dead). It is also implied slightly in the discussion with the Architect, and how they had to give the humans a choice. It is implied that the machines can not comprehend this need for choice, which makes sense since they're machines afterall. Their purpose is predetermined. Human beings, determine their own purpose.

The idea then states that the Architect wanted Neo to choose the door to Trinity. Remember, the Architect said they were prepared to scrap the Matrix and that their losses were "acceptable." The machines would like nothing more than to destroy the humans once and for all and end this, but they are incapable of making that choice for themselves. They need a human to make the choice. Neo is the one that finally makes the choice they were looking for. And it is set up in the Matrix already. The Oracle planting the seeds of Neo & Trinity's love. The very love that "dooms" Zion.

It's a pretty interesting idea, although i'm not completely sold on yet. It does seem to make sense. The whole essay is pretty interesting and goes into detail about this idea and certain ideas in religion.

The Picnic

 

Haha, thanks for the mini-dictionary eclipseSD. Ergo, apropos and vis-avis?! Who talkes like that?

I thought rather that the 1% that reject the Matrix was a result of the imperfection in the Matrix code, and so killing off those who began to exhibit signs of rejection would have no effect, since the imperfect code would simply result in a continuation of a 1% population being born into the system who would have this uneasy feeling.

But those who have the uneasy feeling because they were all given a choice to either accept this program or not; my guess is, if the machines designed the Matrix so that everyone would have to accpet it, which is what probably what they did for the first one, then they lost all of them.

Gah! Confusion!

 

"I am also of the belief that the ones in the screen were the previous 'Ones'."

Then you're not paying attention to the movie or this discussion.

AYBABTU?

 

I've just seen it tonight. Before i give a review i'm gonna give my take on the big plot twist. I haven't read any of the past posts regarding spoilers, so sorry if this has all been covered.

Neo still being inside the Matrix is the most obvious possible reason as to how he was able to stop the Sentinals. But i think that maybe, Neo was able to stop them because Neo is linked to the machines. The Arcitech said so himself. Neo is directly linked to the Matrix and to the machines. Now, there is a problem with this. How were the machines able to create different variations of "The One" if he is flesh and bone human? I've had a tiny bit of time to let it sink in, and i think cloning and genetic tampering could be part of it. They "clone" their new Neo's from the first one, mess around with the genes, and plan out his entire upbringing inside the Matrix. The only other explanation i can think of is that Neo is simply a program, and he is indeed still inside the Matrix, and he can never escape from it because he is only a program. I don't believe that is the way it is. Neo is a human, and the only reason he has followed the Arcitech's plans exactly is because the Arcitech has had plenty of practice and has had so much control over Neo's life. The exact purpose of all of this, i don't know. They're obviously trying to push and prode Neo into a certain direction, a certain goal and i don't know what that is. If Neo were a program, they wouldn't need to push him in that direction, he would simply go there anyway. I think the war between the machines and Zion has been going on alot longer than 100 years. Its obvious the machines let Zion exist. Maybe they let Zion exist to get rid of all the people who can't accept the Matrix. Everytime Zion gets too big, the machines decide to destroy it. And then they decide to free a couple of humans to begin it all over again. Maybe the machines just want Neo to lead the next batch of free human to build Zion all over again.

How does that compare with what you guys have said?

 

This taken from IMDB.com

Keanu Reeves Braves Rain for Fans


"Keanu Reeves didn't let the rain prevent him from spending half an hour chatting to fans at the London premiere of The Matrix Reloaded last night. Fans queued for hours just to get a glimpse of their screen idol, and the hunky actor didn't disappoint them. Wearing a black suit and white shirt he withstood the pouring rain, fleeting from fan to fan to sign autographs and pose for photographs. The star, who put a lot of his own money into the film - which has grossed $150 million in its first week - spent 30 minutes rewarding those who had waited so long. He said, "I wish I could have stayed out longer. It's absolutely fantastic. It's extraordinary. Some people have been really anxious for this film to come out and I just hope it lives up to their expectations." . But co-star Laurence Fishburne was less appreciative of the premiere and rating it from one and five, he could only give it a two"