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JCC Native American actors walk off set of Adam Sandler movie

Discussion in 'Community' started by DantheJedi, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wasn't genocide, because back in the 15th century the term hadn't been made legal by the United Nations. Duh.

    Now you have to imagine a caption, South Park-style, reading "This is actually what Turkey says about Armenia".
     
  2. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    But the UN does recognise the plight now? The plight being able to post spoilers without spoiler tags, that is.
     
  3. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    Really, it's a huge gaff from Ender, something I don't associate with him whatsoever. It's baffling. I consider Ender a dearest of friends. But native Americans not subject to genocide? Whaaaaat?
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    hi yeah so speaking as someone who's met judges on UN War Crimes tribunals and knows the law about genocide pretty well etc., it is absolutely fair to call what happened to the Native Americans genocide. I don't call Andrew Jackson a genocidal maniac out of exaggeration: he was one, and he was far from the only one (just the one we perversely revere as a country).

    I 100% agree that one should not trivialize the word genocide because it needs to maintain the sheer horrifying gravity of what it is... but intentional mass relocation, extermination, eradication of culture and way of life, and massively unequal treaties is totally genocide.

    It's not flip. If anything, Americans still don't take what happened to Native Americans seriously enough. And the terrible conditions on reservations today are totally out of sight, out of mind for a people who like to pose as culturally sensitive and aware about suffering on other continents. Starvation and disease everywhere is awful, but good grief pay attention to the stuff that's going on right in our own back yard.
     
  5. Kiki-Gonn

    Kiki-Gonn Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I follow a few activist-y Native Americans on Twitter and realized there was a s storm happening over a movie but didn't know the details until now.
    Pretty sad but not surprising.
     
  6. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...ndler-movie-after-insults-women-elders-160110

    Perhaps Rob Schneider could fill one of the roles.
     
  7. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I like satire. A lot.

    The "jokes" per the second paragraph of the article were not funny. They were monumentally ****ing stupid at best, offensive at worst.
     
  8. Mortimer Snerd

    Mortimer Snerd Force Ghost star 4

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    If this is the catalyst that finally kills the career of Adam Sandler then the offending jokes were worth it.
     
  9. CT1138

    CT1138 Jedi Master star 4

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    I absolutely love satire, it's one of my favorite forms of comedy. American Dad is good satire. The Colbert Report is fantastic satire. This is not good satire, this is just dumb.
     
  10. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  11. DebonaireNerd

    DebonaireNerd Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Here's the best way of putting it:

    The famous camp fire scene from Blazing Saddles is funny because its humour is embedded in an age where standards in hygiene, culinary and bonding between people was much simpler. The food was rudimentary, an evening around the fire was as commonplace as a night in front of the television is in 2015 while baked beans caused the symptom we're all aware of. Start writing joke now.

    The extent of Adam Sandler's humour is that the fart joke is funny because someone farted. That's it.
     
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  12. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    This is completely indefensible. Per the article, they refused to budge on details as small as the characters' hairstyles. I somehow doubt that these details were critical to the humor. Rather, it suggests that they were just out to mock stereotypical Indians.
     
  13. Boba Nekhbet

    Boba Nekhbet Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wow you have been "angry" at the treatment of Armenians for "years." Those sure are some hefty credentials that empower you to make the call on whether Native Americans have been the victim of a genocide.

    I know you're a an armchair genocide aficionado, but have you consulted what any actual genocide scholars have said regarding Native Americans? I know you're angry on behalf of Armenians, but have you actually asked any Armenians, or anyone else subject to a group that you in your almighty powers have deemed worthy of the term "genocide" about how they feel about what happened to Native Americans and the application of that term? Whether they feel it waters down the term to apply it? You're comfortable calling what happened to Aborigines in Australia genocide, but not what happened to Native Americans?

    I'm asking and I genuinely want an answer: what makes you think you are qualified to deny that term to Native Americans?
     
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  14. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    Reminder that Adam Sandler wins people's choice awards for comedy like every year
     
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  15. Boba Nekhbet

    Boba Nekhbet Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I thought that was hyperbole but I looked it up and he's won every year since at least 2011, which is when I gave up in exasperation.


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  16. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    this was the year native americans boycotted the peoples choice awards
     
  17. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    He has won 9 times and this year was his fifth in an unbroken streak

    Kill yourselves now while you still can
     
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  18. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    some people just can't take a navajoke
     
  19. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    How is this possible? Adam Sandler doesn't even make a movie every year to stay in the running. What.
     
  20. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Comedy was never Adam Sandler's strong point.
     
  21. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    First of all, its an Adam Sandler "movie" so I'm not surprised in the slightest at his completely tone-deaf "humor." When was the last time he made a movie that actually funny?

    Second, I totally agree with this and couldn't have said it better myself. The destruction of First Nations cultures in North America is unequivocally an act of genocide and cultural cleansing..
     
  22. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    wocky, adam sandler's people's choice award this year was for Blended with Dru Berrymore

    he won for Jack and Jill one year. that was the movie where he cross dressed to play his own twin sister

    really what's horrifying about the whole thing (to me) is that the guy's movies (for the last 5 years at least) are basically blatant cash-grab scams. like he casts like 10 of his comedian buddies in cameo roles and the plot is a threadbare framework for product placement (the coke picture from earlier in this thread) and fart jokes

    its basically a big "**** you" to the movie-going public, and yet they consistently vote him awards for it (i assume anyone can vote in the people's choice awards from teh name, not sure about that tho)
     
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  23. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    i mean i think it's just a certain kind of people who vote for that kind of thing. people who watch a lot of reality tv probably.
     
  24. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    or maybe it's just like an online thing and you can vote as many times as you want, and it's just sandler himself, constantly on his phone, voting for himself in the people's choice awards. and literally no one else in the world cares so he keeps winning.
     
  25. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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