"Never been done in the history of the Jedi" apparently not true...

so what? if ki-adi is not a master he is still on the council and he's being recognized as a fully-fledged member of the jedi council.
between the lines anakin wants the recognition and approval. and he doesn't want to have exceptions made for him.

 

*cough*obi wan isent a master either *cough

 

Mace was on the council so young he was probably promoted to Master at the same time he was appointed. Might be one reason Anakin is pissed.

 

So why do they refer to him as 'Master Kenobi'?

 

*cough*obi wan isent a master either *cough

He was.

 

duh obi was a master and yeah Mundi WAS a knight around the time of TPM but he lived with it, he wasn't worrying about a forbidden love. in case you read the book, the only reason Anakin wanted to be a master was to have access to some forbidden sith holocrons to save padme. he was so ticked off cuz the council was leading him on that he prolly overlooked the whole mundi schpeel about 13 years back. its not like he knew the entire history of the council.

 

I just read in my TPM dictionary that Ki-Adi-Mundi was not a master when he first was on the council. I guess tha's been cleared up then

 

"Put a Jedi on the council and not make him a master? It's never been done before in the history of the Jedi. It's insulting."

It's pretty clear that by the time ROTS was released, GL had either changed his mind about Mundi's past (in other words, decided he was a Master when he was on the council), or that GL didn't come up with the idea of Mundi being a knight on the council in the first place. LFL employees write a lot of this stuff, you know, so we don't know that it was GL's idea just because someone at LFL wrote it. Can anyone site GL has saying Mundi wasn't a master in TPM?

 

I believe GL says in the RotS commentary, at the part where Anakin is appointed to the Jedi Council (at the Council itself), that he was originally going to include the story arc about how Ki-Adi wasn't a master but was on the Council, but it wasn't that important and he didn't have time to spend on it.

So either he decided to change the story for this sake, or he allowed Anakin to be fallible. Oh no, Anakin, fallible? The horror!

 

I don't remember hearing GL say anything about Ki-Adi-Mundi during the ROTS commentary at all.

 

Wasn't there some mention somewhere in the EU that Ki-Adi-Mundi (or another Jedi) was also married and had children? Blows that whole celibate, monastic existence ("You'll be expelled from the Jedi Order!") out of the water as well.

But, as far as I'm concerned, what is Star Wars is in the 6 films. EU is just extra geek goodies that have no real bearing on the saga anyway.

 

that he was originally going to include the story arc about how Ki-Adi wasn't a master but was on the Council, but it wasn't that important and he didn't have time to spend on it.

So either he decided to change the story for this sake, or he allowed Anakin to be fallible. Oh no, Anakin, fallible? The horror!

In that case, I would say the former. Remember, if it isn't filmed in the movie, it isn't necessarily movie cannon. That is to say, GL is free to change his mind, such as the two death's for Shak Ti and then he cuts them both altogether and Greedo shooting in various orders.

The former makes the most sense. Fallible would make sense if it Mundi had been a master of ages past, but he was currently on the council and Anakin met him as a non-Master council member (by EU standards). Also, Obi-wan would have rebuttalled his point.

 

I seem to have been wrong about it having been in the commentary, but I could swear I heard it or read it someplace. I'll try and look for it.

 

EU makes up their own stories. Lucas has his own idea about Star Wars so he can do whatever he wants in the movies and doesn't have to obey the "facts" of the eu. I doubt Lucas decided during TPM to make Ki-adi be only a knight. Being the lowest rank on the council he probably wouldn't have spoken as much as he did, hense Lucas did not think of him as anything less than a master. In the case that Lucas wanted him to be a knight, it is alright that he changed his mind because Ki-adi's rank was never mentioned in the films.

 

I've pretty much accepted that in these films the characters with the most to say are the highest in stature/ rank. Yoda and Mace had the the most to say so they are at the top, and Mundi would come next. He actually had on-screen dialogue with Anakin in TPM. How many other Jedi even had full lines of dialogue with anybody? EU is just for fun until GL puts it into a film.

 

Leeland Chee stated on his blog that Ki-Adi-Mundi was in the process of becoming a Master during the time of the Battle of Naboo. He'd only recently joined the Council, and was already being considered for Mastery at that point.

So what the EU told you was true....from a certain point of view.

EDIT: Oh, and Lucas has also confirmed in an interview (I'll try and find it) that the Jedi aren't actually required to remain celibate: they are just not allowed to form attachments. And the EU shows that Ki-Adi knows he can't (and doesn't) form attachments to his wives - whom he has simply to keep the population of Cerea from dropping to dangerously low levels.

 

"Put a Jedi on the council and not make him a master? It's never been done before in the history of the Jedi. It's insulting."

It's pretty clear that by the time ROTS was released, GL had either changed his mind about Mundi's past (in other words, decided he was a Master when he was on the council), or that GL didn't come up with the idea of Mundi being a knight on the council in the first place. LFL employees write a lot of this stuff, you know, so we don't know that it was GL's idea just because someone at LFL wrote it. Can anyone site GL has saying Mundi wasn't a master in TPM?




I thinks its better if it shows Anakin is wrong. It adds more depth to the story.

 

Maybe Obi-Wan just didn't bother to correct Anakin on that point.

 

I thinks its better if it shows Anakin is wrong. It adds more depth to the story.

But it doesn't show that he is wrong, and it doesn't make sense for Obi-wan to not mention it since he is arguing the point (the point being that he is being treated unfairly) in that very scene.

 

I disagree, it adds more to the story to show that the council IS jerking Anakin around.

As for the comment itself, whenever the EU and Lucas contradict each other, Lucas wins.

 

It's really quite obvious that this has nothing to do with Anakin being "big-headed" or "ignorant." He was clearly stating a fact. If he had been wrong, then why didn't Obi-wan say anything?

 

The official stance on EU is it's a type of canon until contradicted by the movies.

The fan stance on EU is it takes precedence over the movies and previous EU works and you are given a big ol' bag of 'retcons' to make it all a big happy universe.

I'm happy with number one myself.

"Anakin's fallable? The horror!"
I counter with:
"LFL fallable? The horror!"

But, some fans do take genuine joy out of trying to make everything fit. Who am I to take away their fun?

 

A dedicated and legendary Jedi Knight, Obi-Wan Kenobi had a long and tumultuous career that has helped shape the fate of an entire galaxy.-OS i think i proved my point so gutted he only made it to jedi knight thus he was a knight on the council !!!!

 

well said.

 

Perhaps Obi-Wan is just getting sick of always correcting Anakin. I would be after thirteen years of Ani.