New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

Ask and you´ll probabely get "Victory" for an answer. Or "modified Victory", if you are lucky.

After all WEG can´t be wrong and ISDs are the biggest regular warships the empire ever built.

 

Well, the Darklighter frigate is already on the list (Class II Frigate). Which came out first, Darklighter or Force Heretic I? That might help determine if Widowmaker was intended as the same class?

The Eidolon does look like a different class, IMHO. It is neat looking. The modular design of the Strike-class is built around a basic skeleton that includes the bridge, and the distinctive Strike-class bridge seems to not be present on this ship, so I guess it might e a different class.

Some other thoughts: the "bayless" SD from ROTJ is curious. Maybe this is one of the mission-specific variants of the ISD mentioned in EGV?

Given the apparent size of the communications "star destroyer" in ROTJ, I have tinkered with the idea Saxton intended the Praetor-class battlecruiser in ITWOSW to be this type of ship, but I'd have to ask him about that.

I have studied Saxton's commentary on the Harrow, as well as the accompanying pics. I have some observations:

1) the artist and write eam in question came up with a distinctive type of Stormtrooper, and I would judgethey are creative and innovative enough to create a new Star Destroyer type
2) this might be a specil type of Star Destroyer specifcally made to operate as mothership for these type of Stormtroopers
3) the KDY design elements make it impossible for this to be a VSD
4) the lack of a secondary hangar bay makes it clear this is not any known variant of ISD, as doe the VSD type wings

Thus, I have concluded it is safe to assume this IS meant to be a separate type of SD.
I will (temporarily) add the following to the list:

Harrow type Star Destroyer
Widowmaker type Frigate
Eidolon-class Strike Cruiser
"Ship"

89lc Akorec Strike Cruiser, Scillal Designs
A-vek Iiluunu, YV
Acclamator Troopship, RHE
Adz Patrol Destroyer
Agave Picket, REC
Alderaanian gunship, ARE
Alderaanian War Frigate [ie, Another Chance], ARE
Allegiance Star Cruiser, KDY
Aramadia "Thrusthip" Patrol Destroyer, Nazfar
Aramand System Cruiser III, Aramandi
Assassin Corvette, CEC
Bagmim Customs Ship
Bakura Destroyer, Bakuran
Battle Dragon, Olanjii/Charubah
Battle Horn Bulk Cruiser, RSD
Bayonet Light Cruiser, SFS
Belarus Medium Cruiser, Loronar
Beta Cruiser, Hapes Consortium
Black Hole Dreadnaught, Ugor Salvage Company
Blackhawk Destroyer
Bothan Assault Carrier, Bothan
Buccaneer Corvette, CEC
Bulwark Battlecruiser, TGMI
Cal Battleship, Kumauri
Carrack Light Cruiser, DMC
CC-7700 Frigate, CEC
CC-9600 Frigate, CEC
Chiss Corvette, Chiss Empire
Chiss Border Patrol Ship, Chiss Empire
Chuun M'arh, YV
Class 1000 Cruiser, KDY
Class II Frigate, RHE
Class C Frigate, KDY
Corellian Battleship, CEC
Corellian Frigate, CEC
Corellian Light Cruiser, CEC
Corona Line Frigate, KDY
CR90 Corvette, CEC
Cruiser Carrier [modified Quasar Fire], SoroSuub
Crusader XX-777 Droid Frigate, CEC/Loronar
Dauntless Cruiser, Mon Cal?
Defender Assault Carrier, REC
Desolate Flagship, Charon
Diamalan Blockade Carrier
Dimel Attack Ship, Ulig Abaha Ltd.
Discril Attack Cruiser, Daupherm
Dovin Basal Launcher, YV
DP20 Gunship, CEC
Dragon Heavy Star Cruiser [Dragon Mag--not canon], KDY
Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser, RSD
Eclipse Mark I Star Dreadnought, KDY
Eclipse Mark II Star Dreadnought, KDY
EF76B Nebulon-B Frigate, KDY
EF76B-2 Nebulon B-2 Frigate, KDY
Eidolon Strike Cruiser, LDI?????
Endar Spire-type Republic Starship
Endurance Fleet Carrier, REC
Enforcer One type Dreadnaught, CGS
Enforcer Picket Cruiser, SFS/KDY
Executor Mark I Star Dreadnought, KDY
Executor Mark II Star Dreadnought, KDY
Eye of Palpatine Superdreadnought, IDMR
Froffli Patrol Ship
Geonosian Corvette, HPTSC
Geonosian Dreadnaught, HPTSC
Grey Damsel-type Star Cruiser, Mon Cal
Hapes Nova Battlecruiser, Hapes Consortium
Harrow Star Destroyer, KDY
Hex Deployer
Home One-type Star Cruiser, Mon Cal
Hornet Carrier, SoroSuub
I'Friil Ma-Nat, YV
Immobilizer-418 Interdictor Heavy Cruiser, SFS
Immobilizer-418A Interdictor Heavy Cruiser, SFS
Imper

 

Eidolon . . . just say modified Strike Cruiser, the way Night Caller is a modified Corellian Corvette.

You know, that isn't really a name. It's like saying Earth Corvette, or Commenor Corvette. There was a Opquis gunship in VOTF. Unless it's Corellian-class corvette? *groans*

 

I think it's CR90 corvette, IIRC.

Though likely, it was such a ubiqitous design that it became the "Corellian corvette" in most people's eyes.

 

Let's not start calling a ship representative of a new class until we are absolutely certain it isn't. For one thing, that ship could be a variant of class but it's so heavily modified, that it doesn't resemble much of the unmodified ships. An example would be the Assault Frigate.

 

[blocqkuote]Let's not start calling a ship representative of a new class until we are absolutely certain it isn't. For one thing, that ship could be a variant of class but it's so heavily modified, that it doesn't resemble much of the unmodified ships. An example would be the Assault Frigate.[/blockquote]

You mean "absolute certain it is".

The problem is that the default state with anything more than the most minor modifications is that they affect everything from balance to recoil to power supply. By the time you solve everything so it is all in good trim again, it is effectively a new class.

With a hundred meters added, acceleration improved by 50%, and the whole weapon outfit changed, the only thing the Assault Frigate realistically could have in common with the Dreadnaught is that it is made from the same metal. It has almost certainly been almost entirely rebuilt from frame up. Either that or it is very inefficiently using particle shielding (to hold everything together) and differential thrust to compensate for the loss of balance that came with reckless, un-recalculated mods (kind of like how the film K-19 had to resort to variable ballast to compensate for a construction deficiency, placing a cramp on it). That might be barely excusable for a Rebel emergency job, but not for an Imperial design.

 

Where would I find pictures of these ships on the list above? Any one or more sites that have pictures for the various ships listed above?

 

Found something useful, btw - a shot of the classic Goodwin/Infantino Imperial cruiser from 1980, in which the ship is explicitly describd as "not as big or powerful as a Star Destroyer"...

Even if the strip in question is regarded as apocryphal (and aside from some Luke/Leia petting and the idea that the lightsaber can seem to drain its user, there's not much else that looks wrong with it to me), this clearly indicates that at least some of the "cruisers" (and perhaps "battlecruisers") we see in the Marvel series ought to be regarded as smaller than Star Destroyers...

Are they Vindicator-class? Or something we haven't got a name for yet?



- The Imperial Ewok

 

It looks vaguely like a VicStar from behind, but without the atmospheric manoeuvring thrusters on the flank.

 

Thrawn McEwok

See also Marvel #18 (also Goodwin/Infantino), there's a "light cruiser, not in the full star destroyer class".

Mind you that Archie Goodwin repeatedly calls the Executor a battlecruiser in his newspaper strips. Plus, Han Solo says "an Imperial cruiser" in the movie.

And need I call to mind the HTTE sourcebook text about cruisers?

 

ThrawnMcEwok:

That is a great pic. I have to agree that it does look vaguely like a Vindicator class cruiser. That shot (pun intended) of the Imperial cruiser getting vaped by a planetary turbolaser is awesome. Great detail for such an early comic.

--Adm. Nick

 

It looks vaguely like a VicStar from behind, but without the atmospheric manoeuvring thrusters on the flank.

It has them, just not in a V shape like in X wing.

The coonfusion comes from the fact that the Imperial sourcebook shows the Vic from the sides and you really can't geta feel for how the thrusters should look. From the side, even the V shape thrusters look just like they do in the Imp sourcebook.

But EGTVV shows us they're supposed to slope down with the hull and not form a weird "V" valley shaped prominence. The x wing games are in error.

 

Here's a link of interest to fleet junkies:

http://www.lucasarts.com/products/galaxies/main.html#jtlStarships

There are many well known ships, such as all the letterwing and TIE variants, Star Destroyers, YT-1300s, etc.

THere is an interesting pic of a CR90. This may be the base corvette without any of the weapons on it yet. There is another pic of the CR90 in Tantive IV configuration.

Many new ships are added to the SW universe:

REBEL SHIPS:
YKL37R Tranpsort

IMPERIAL SHIPS:
TIE Agressor
TIE Opressor
VT-49 Decimator Armed Transport

HUTTESE SHIPS:
MandalMotors M3-A Scyk Starfighter
MandalMotors G1-M4-C Dunelizard Starfighter
MandalMotors M12-L Kimogila Heavy Starfighter

We were just discussing Huttese ships; how well-timed!

I should probably add Staraker-class Strike Cruisers to the list, and I'd like a name for that Imp cruiser in the comic. It does not look like the Pursuit-class Light Cruiser [aka, Star Monitor in Saxtonian terms]: the engines are wrong.

 

I was wondering if the Rebels had any other capital ships than the Mon Calamari cruisers, the Correllian Corvette and the Nebulon Frigate at the time of Endor? How long is a Star Destroyer? Is there any difference in length between Interdictor and Victory-class?

Am I the only one who thinks YKL37R sounds more like a droid than a ship? And the Z-95 is used by Rebels but IIRC, the Empire used them too in COPL.

 

How long is a Star Destroyer?

I assume you mean the ISD? 1.600 meters

Is there any difference in length between Interdictor and Victory-class?

Yes. A VSD is 900 meters long, the Immobilizer class Interdictor cruiser 600 meters and the Dominator class Interdictor is 1600 meters long.

 

Good find, Cilghal

Though I'm less than pleased with the two unnecessary new TIES

 

Jort:

At the time of Endor, the main Rebel capital ships were the Mon Calamari cruiser and the Nebulon B frigate. Corvettes were also very popular.

There were other types used as well by the Rebel Alliance. The Bulk Cruiser was described in the RASB as being very common in the fleet. Assault frigates were also a part of the Rebel fleet as well.

--Adm. Nick

 

I figured there'd be some frowns about the TIEs.
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Would anyone be interested in helping me make a Capital Ship timeline?
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OK, two questions:

1) Should I list the Rebel Assault Frigates? They are modified Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruisers, but should they be regarded as a separate class (or subclass) since there are so many of them modified the same way and they are almost entirely rebuilt, bearing little resemblance to the original, as has been pointed out?

2) Is there actually a difference between the Battle Horn-class Bulk Cruiser and the Neutron Star-class, or should they be regarded as a continuity error (two names for the same class, as with Nebula/Defender and Executor/SUper)? If there is a difference, please enlighten me! Sadly, the only stats I know of for both classes are modified Rebellion-era ships; I haven't seen stats for the ships in their original Rold Republic condition.



CAPITAL SHIPS OF THE REBELLION:
The game Rebellion features the Dauntless-class and Liberty-class cruisers, Bulwark-class battlecruiser, CC-7700 and CC-9600 Frigates.

Don't forget the Y-HEAD Corvette from ROTJ

DP20 Gunships are VERY common in the Rebel fleet, if Marvel Comics are any indication.

The X-wing/TIE Fighter games indicated there were numerous MC40a light cruisers and Assassin corvettes in the Rebel fleet.

In the Han Solo trilogy, the Rebels have at least one Marauder corvette.

Dreadnaught-class cruisers exist in the Rebel fleet acc. to Zahn's novels, and not all are converted to assault frigates.

Mansk-class frigates are used by the Rebellion as well.

The Rebels steal all sorts of ships from the Empire, inc. not only Neb-Bs, but also Strike Cruisers and Escort Carriers.

Star Wars Missions revealed the Rebels had a few VicStars, which they used to impersonate Imperials.

 

Cilghal

Not your fault about those TIEs, I'm just puzzled as to why the Empire would need a new craft to fill those roles when most of the roles are more than adequately filled by Interceptors, Bombers, and TIE/RCs.

Seems like this Aggressor is just a TIE bomber with a rotating gun and less warhead space. The Scimitar (IMO) is a smarter design, combining Interceptor speed with Bomber lethality.

The Oppressor seems more like a pre-Scimitar Scimitar.

But the fact that neither of these designs seems to have lasted past the Galaxies setting may say something...

The corellian corvette on that page is an interesting deviation from the CR90. It's good to see the Hutt fighters too.

 

i think that is supposed to BE the CR90 (hence mention of Tantive IV in the text), just without the weaponry. I am pretty sure CR90 weaponry is supposed to be modular; I assume the pic is a CR90 in its base weaponless state?

The TIE models in question experimental; the text for the Agressor even says so. And the Scimitar Bomber was not made until postEndor, so the Opressor may have been an intermediate between the TIE/sa Bomber and the Scimitar (there is also the TIE/sa Interdictor from Galactic Battlegrounds--carries a big payload, but an easy-to hit-target I would guess).

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info from the preview of SW Tales #21:

a pic of Acclamators in the IMPERIAL starfleet (they're still in use), apparently in orbit of CORUSCANT itself, indicating they are not just leftovers in the backwater.

p.s. Many fleet junkies are interested in the Imperial Remnant, and this comic introduces a new NJO-era Imperial Remnant world conquered by the YV, Ord Sedra, which methinks has not been mentioned before. Perhaps we may see some NJO-era Imperial fleet ships (that would be nice) ir some artistic renditions of one of the many classes of YV shiops that weren't pictured in NEGV.

 

Wait, now the Yuuzhan Vong siezed an Imperial planet? Since when? By post-NJO, do you mean that the remains of the Vong that didn't surrender grabbed it, or that the scarheads actually occupied Ord Sedra during their disasterous offensive against the Empire? This sounds like it has 'I didn't actually read the NJO very closely' written all over it.

Pellaeon: "Well, we've thwarted that Yuuzhan Vong incursion, and we have them on the run now."

Ardiff: "Sir, apparently, in their rush to escape before our fleets closed in and destroyed them, the Yuuzhan Vong conquered a planet without us noticing."

Pellaeon: "Bully! We'll leave it in enemy hands, even after I've made it abundantly clear that I don't believe that any Imperial citizen deserves to live under the Yuuzhan Vong yoke. Quick smart dear boy, get my staff together, we've an offensive to launch!"

Ardiff: "Aye sir. I'm sure Ord Sedra's occupation won't cause any sort of outcry from the populace writ large!"

Reader: "Huh. Okay, I'll be over here... Letting my soul bleed a little."

As for Acclamators in orbit around Coruscant, I wonder if this lends credence to the idea that many were refitted as support combatants (frigates). The capitol of the galactic government oughtn't have a terribly large need for glorified amphibs, methinks. Anywho, it isn't unheard-of for Coruscant to have a handful of veteran ships and crews on-station from time to time. Remeber all of the Victory ships that were supposed to have been there?

 

AdmiralNick: you mean here? Looks to me that this story is Clone Wars or soon after - in which case, that's likely to be a Star Dreadnaught from that era at the bottom of the top pannel, no?



- The Imperial Ewok

 

Hey all, just letting you all know that my first draft of the Ship Compendium is completed. I'm at my girlfriend's house at the moment so I won't be home until tomorrow, but as soon as I get back I'll post it. I sense that there may be a fair bit of controversial material in there, as I have tried to incorporate what we know from various sources with a fair degree speculation. I am still tweaking my hypothetical stats for some vessels, such as the Rejuvenator Star Destroyer, the Endurance Fleet Carrier and the Defender Assault Carrier. I have assumed the Defender and Nebula Star Destroyers to be the same vessel, and have provided stats for both a 17.6km Executor-class Super Star Destroyer and an 8km Superior-class Super Star Destroyer. If anyone has any problems with these or any other suggestions let me know via email, PM or post them on here and I will try and incorporate them into the draft.

 

Senator Cilghal: I think you should list the Assualt Frigate as a wholly different ship, given that it probably has more differences between it and a baseline Dreadnaught than say a MC-80a and MC-80b or the ISDI opposed to the ISDII.