New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

Beg your pardon, Pelranius. That comment should have been directed to the good Grand Admiral, Brett Brass I was clarifying for him that the Katarn story in Tales #21 was set during, not AFTER, NJO.

The game Rebellion did NOT give a manufacturer for Dauntless, BTW. SoroSuub and Mon Cal are both fan speculations.

I have always favored Mon Cal, but Nick brings up a good point: Dauntless cruisers have no blisters. All other Mon Cal ships (MC18 freighters, the evacution transports in DE, the MC-series cruisers, the Amphib fighters and Shark in Defense of Kamino) have blisters. So it probably is NOT a Mon Cal ship.

It doesn't look similar to any familiar design aesthetic, so who knows who really makes them? They are converted PASSENGER LINERS, so it does not have to bee a well-known capital ship maker like Mon Cal, SoroSuub, KDY, or CEC. Could be John Doe's Liner, Inc. for all we know.

KLris, the only other nitpick I have is that the proper spelling is SIENAR (i before e), not SEINAR. The spelling Sienar goes all the way back to 1987 and appears even in the most recent WOTC publications; Seinar is a mispelling I think first appeared in the early 90s.

 

All the same, the title has the 'Rise of the Empire' era symbol, which technically has to mean that the Executor is, at best, still being built... so that's likely to be some other class of big ship... and it's a dagger design...


The story you are talking about is set 1 year after TPM.

 

1 year after TPM? There is no way they could have TIEs that early; nor Acclamators, which don't come out until 10 years after TPM.

BTW, can anyone give me some help as to what all types of capital ships are seen in TOTJ?

I know Sienar built some sort of capital ships used by Empress Teta.

 

Cilghal:

I suppose the only reason I presume it is Sullustan built is because SoroSuub is a HUGE corporation. They also tend to build alot more pleasure and commerical craft than military hardware.

You are correct though in saying that the Dauntless class cruiser could of been originally designed by anyone. But, I think that we have a 99% probability that the ship was modified by the Mon Calamari shipwrights. Afterall, at the time of the Rebellion the Mon Cal shipyards were the only major yards in Rebel hands. Not only that, but we know from the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook (WEG) that the Mon Cal shipyards were also producing frigates and corvettes as well. This shows that the shipyards had the ability to build Mon Cal cruisers alongside escort frigates and corvettes. I suppose this would of been easy enough. They either obtained the building plans for these vessels or copied the vessels already in the Rebel fleet.

In other words, it would of been very, very easy for a shipyard in orbit around Calamari to modfiy a few dozen passenger vessels from another maker and turn them into capital ships.

--Adm. Nick

 

wow....just wow.

Finnaly, a completed list.

You konw how long i've been watching this thread for something like that?

 

It's even possible that the Dauntless - which still looks Squiddish to me - is (a.) something built by Mon Cal under Imperial control; or (b.) a Quarren design...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

ThrawnMcEwok:

The Quarren theory works for me. Though, the Mon Cals did not build any ships when under Imperial control. IIRC, they spend most of their time be forced to develop new systems for already existing Imperial ships. But, these sytems never came into being, either through outright sabotage or Imperial dislike.

Again, I point out that as Cilghal said, there are literally so many companies out their that this pleasure ship could of been built by anyone.

--Adm. Nick

 

1 year after TPM? There is no way they could have TIEs that early; nor Acclamators, which don't come out until 10 years after TPM.


That's what I said too when Jeremy told me. I'm currently still awaitnig a response on this.

 

I have a suggestion for the Imperial Assault Frigate: Right now, the stats as they are give an armament more suited for what I'd call a cruiser; as the I/FRG stands right now, it has considerable firepower against capital ships, slightly more than a Vindicator, in fact, but no anti-starfighter weaponry. Every other frigate class I've seen has anti-fighter weaponry. The Corona-class, Nebulon-B and Nebulon-B2 classes, the Lancer-class, and the Rebel Assault Frigate all mount laser cannons. With that in mind, I suggest replacing the I/FRG's 20 double turbolasers with at least a score of quad laser cannons.

 

Comparing the Mere Resistance Cruiser to the AAT-1, using the known length of the AAT-1, I have conlcuded the Mere Resistance ruiser is about 163 metres long. Apparently a "cruiser" in a very broad sense.

 

Changes for version 2:
- Sienar as opposed to Seinar (I actually wasn't aware that I'd spelt it "ei" as I knew it is "ie"
- Loronar Defence Industries as opposed to Loronar Corporation
- Change the manufacturer name for the Dauntless Cruiser. I believe I will go with it being a Mon Cal modification, but I am unsure as to how it should phrased, in keeping with the format I have used, ie. Rendili StarDrive Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser. Suggestions please?
- Include TIEDefenderPilot's Imperial Assault Frigate

Keep them coming people. This is wonderful.

 

Senator Cilghal: That's all right. I myself have made far worse mistakes.

Kris7: The CC-7700 seems awfully a small ship to be sporting any gravity well projectors. And consider that Daala also ordered one of her ships to ram one to cover her escape.

Maybe the Dauntless is a product from the Royal Alderaanian Engineers (or whatever they're called) that found itself in Rebel hands? Though I admit that I prefer it to be of Sullustan origin.

Did TransMelg (sp) Industrial fold or something, thus explaining how the Rebels got such a large warship?

 

Does anyone remember the Rebel ship Nonnah from the first Rogue Squadron game? What's the official name? Does anyone have details about it?

 

According to the Star Wars: Rebellion game, the Dauntless is a warship introduced late at the war. So I don't think it is an Alderaanian design. From far, it looks similar to a Mon Calamari Warship.

Nonnah looked like a transport shuttle but I can't be certain since it is half sunken in water.

 

The Nonnah looks very much like the IG-2000. If you spare me a moment, I'll go grab screenies.

[image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/Tam_Elgrin/nonnah.jpg]

The IG-2000 is a "modified" Agressor assault ship, so perhaps the modifications are simply the two "forks" coming from either side?

[image=http://www.starwars.jp/machine/image/ig2000.jpg]

 

Thx for the pictures Tam. Any pictures of that Y-head Corvette? And how long is the Executor?

And what does mean in ANH when he says he has outrun the big Corellian ships?

 

Recall that the Nonnah is pretty small. It was about the size of the Lambda shuttle.

--Adm. Nick

 

Presumably Han is referring to some kind of large Corellian-designed/built warship. They exist, according to the description of the Rebel fleet in the RotJ novelization:

"...the vast Rebel fleet stretched, from its vanguard to its rear echelon, past the range of human vision. Corellian battle ships, cruisers, destroyers, carriers..."

In the ANH novelization, Han says that he's outrun "Imperial starships and Corellian cruisers". I guess the line in the movie is what's left of that.

 

Corellian battle ships

The only "Corellian battleships" in the movie were the Corvettes.

 

Though it's not unreasonable to assume that Star Destroyers (among other Imperial vessels) were routinely built at Corellia.

The Empire would be foolish to let one of its largest shipyards only be used to civilian production.

 

I thought only KDY was given Star Destroyer contracts. After all Fondor accepted to close all civilian traffic just to get the Executor contract. Corellian Cruisrs might be CorSec ships though.

 

I just finished a re read of Tyrant's Test, the final book in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. I caught a few things that I had not noticed in the past.

Firstly, the final total of warships deployed in the Koornacht cluster was 16 battlegroups. That means that the New Republic was able to deploy 1600 warships to the Cluster. That impressed me greatly.

The second thing I noticed was that the final battle over N'zoth was not a isloated event. Only 200 New Republic warships fought there. Similar battles were fought over at leat half a dozen other Yevethan worlds as well. I did not notice that during my first read of this book. That means that we have a total of perhaps 8 battles of similar scale being fought at the same time.

What struck me the most about the book this time around was the power of the Yevethan T-type trustships. Their ability to destroy ships many times their size was impressive. Hell, a pair of these 240 meter craft managed to collapse the shields of Commodore Farley's flagship, the Star Destroyer Yakez, and detonate its main armory. They only have eight batteries of lasers, but their complement of concussion missiles, proton torpedoes, and gravity bombs seems to give them a pretty good puch.

Anyways, I just figured I would share some of my musings after reading the book again.

--Adm. Nick

 

THe T-Type's weapon arrangement also gives it the punch of a much larger vessel.

If the NRDF managed to mobilise 1600 warships for the BFC then Ackbar's last campaign against the Imperials probably had similiar if not a larger force given the larger threat the ISF is.

 

If there's one thing I noticed about the Black Fleet crisis, was the sudden orientation to the extremely use of Heavy anti-capital ship warheads compared to most of the battles with the Empire.

The Yevethans seem to have extremely durable shields comparable to the Mon Cals. However, it seems that the NR didn't have much technical info about the Yevethans until they started disarming them. The Yevethans narrowed the shield radius of the ships such that it was more dense than ever. Couple that with a heavy warhead magazine makes these ships extremely tough nuts to crack.

Not to mention the Imperials were extremely fearful of this race ability to innovate (not create). They could improve the efficiency of anything incredibly. Something akin to the Japanese and Koreans.

 

IIRC, there were only three battles fought in the end of Tyrant's Test: The battles at N'zoth, Z'fell and Wakiza, the three major worlds of the league.